| Author | Message | ||
     SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 3110 Registered: 9-2003 |
Very creative Bailey. Why don't you go a couple of steps further and photograph some areas around town that might be appropriate locations and drop the Tau in. Please post.. we'll all vote (not that it would count for anything, but it could be amusing). | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 366 Registered: 7-2005  |
Um...I've been saying that all along...tag city!! This thing reminds me of the monolith from 2001: A Space Oddessy...except instead of apes dancing around it, there are BOT members and "Art-Lovers"...although there isn't much difference... | ||
| susan1014 Supporter Username: Susan1014 Post Number: 1435 Registered: 3-2002 |
Obviously if we put this thing up, we need to factor in the cost of security cameras so that we can arrest and fine anyone who tags the thing for the cost of restoration... | ||
| composerjohn Citizen Username: Composerjohn Post Number: 774 Registered: 8-2004  |
I think the duck pond is a much, much better location. I'll be really disappointed if the sculpture ends up at the train station. Who decided the train station was a good location???????? | ||
| SOSully Citizen Username: Sullymw Post Number: 1194 Registered: 5-2001  |
the pit! | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3631 Registered: 5-2001  |
composerjohn, - According to Calabrese (& I believe Ms. Arnedt also) the site was chosen by Smith's widow (before she passed away) Whether that last point is true or not, I have no idea. | ||
| Matt Foley Citizen Username: Mattfoley Post Number: 582 Registered: 6-2004  |
Forget graffiti. How about pigeon droppings? Will the village appoint a Poopsmith to maintain "The Tau of Bill" on a daily basis? That thing will be covered in off white streaks in a few short weeks. ps: Before Mary Theroux gets the gig, I'd like to submit my resume to the BOT to consider me for Poopsmith. does that position come with a vehicle too? | ||
| Bailey Citizen Username: Baileymac Post Number: 193 Registered: 3-2005 |
Funny, Matt! I had the pigeon thought too, shortly after I posted about grafiti. Maybe we can electrify the thing to kill the pigeons before they.. um.. Of course, then we'll need someone to pick up the pigeons. You available for that position, Matt? | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 964 Registered: 10-2004  |
whats wrong with you people. That is ART! Dont you understand the significance, no the importance, no the absolute criticality of the TAU? My god. I know art when I see it and damn it, thats art. A big black block of art. It looks spectacular against both the train station and the firehouse. Why people will come from miles around just to see our Tau. umm - dont flame me, that was sarcasm | ||
| Stuart0628 Citizen Username: Stuart0628 Post Number: 238 Registered: 2-2003 |
Bailey, outstanding work! I'd be curious how Tau might look in place of the obelisk in front of SOPAC. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3635 Registered: 5-2001 |
Perhaps we can put in inside the library, so when it rains, it will keep the water off the floor, instead of those pesky buckets they use now? or Perhaps we can put it on the roof of Village Hall, so the birds can nest inside the sculpture, instead of in the eves of the roof of Village Hall, like they do now? | ||
| bettyd Citizen Username: Badjtdso Post Number: 163 Registered: 12-2005 |
Let's put it to good use. Maybe a police sub-station can be opened inside of it or a hot dog stand. What were those people thinking when they agreed to this? How did they think this was going to be a positive for the town? It is so ugly and absurd it is beyond comprehension. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4435 Registered: 1-2004  |
Peter- A very big NEGATIVE IMPACT at that...Please, someone, go talk to Tony Smith's family. Ask them if they've taken any of this into consideration and if not, to please listen to what other residents have to say. Look at the pictures posted here and ask if this is really how they want t honor the memory of their loved one. Hopefully they will change their mind. | ||
| Matt Foley Citizen Username: Mattfoley Post Number: 584 Registered: 6-2004 |
maybe we can convince the BOT to get the dimensions of "Tau" reduced. Say, something like the mini-Stonehenge from "This is Spinal Tap". "And, O' how the wee little children of Stonehenge danced about it in the moonlight." -Nigel Tufnel | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 199 Registered: 1-2006 |
Glock: You are in the 2001 ballpark, which was entered first by the undersigned. Welcome. We are being watched, and if the News Record, Star Ledger or NY Times would publish the rendering from Bailey, maybe the elite would wake up from their ego driven sleep. Maybe not. But, Glock, Sig Sauer away!!! jd | ||
| vermontgolfer Supporter Username: Vermontgolfer Post Number: 366 Registered: 12-2002 |
joel, was just thinking the same thing and was contemplating sending it to the News-Record, but didn't want to trip up on Bailey's work. | ||
| AntoninaKC Citizen Username: Antoninakc Post Number: 218 Registered: 5-2005  |
Where is Help-Me Howard when you need him!?!?!? | ||
| jayjay Citizen Username: Jayjayp Post Number: 512 Registered: 6-2005 |
Didn't Ms Arnedt say at the BOT meeting that some TV station was going to do a documentary about this scultpure and the South Orange installation. Does anyone know who the TV station is and does anyone know someone there? I wonder what the story is and if they really have a feel for community sentiment given all these issues which have come to light - from the funding obfuscation, the inappropriate location, the misguided priorities of the BOT's, etc. | ||
| Bailey Citizen Username: Baileymac Post Number: 194 Registered: 3-2005 |
I wouldn't mind if the News Record wanted to print them, don't know if they need permission since I've posted them on a public board, I'm guessing it's public domain at this point. I really would like for more people to see them, I'm thinking I should print them on a large format printer and stand them on an easel under the gazebo for all to see. It's just so darned cold! | ||
| CageyD Citizen Username: Cageyd Post Number: 668 Registered: 6-2003 |
Can someone tell me where we are with this sculpture thing? Can it be stopped? Is there some vote to be taken? Do we have any recourse?????? | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3643 Registered: 5-2001 |
Cagey, I am willing to bet that not one single person here on MOL has even bothered to communicate their outrage to the BOT (other than here on MOL). We'll see tomorrow if any Letters to the Editor were submitted to the News Record. If people simply continue to "vent" here on MOL, nothing will change. I expect every single person that vents on this thread to speak at the next BOT Meeting. Otherwise Bailey has shown you the "ghost of Christmas Future" Write a Letter to the Board of Trustees: ajosrosen@aol.com arthur@mec.cuny.edu mrosnernyc@yahoo.com stacey.jennings@hp.com nishesq@optonline.net WCfuzzy@aol.com edevaris@southorange.org Attend the next BOT Meeting and SPEAK UP Venting on MOL has NO impact. If you are tired of this behavior, DO SOMETHING | ||
| Monster© Supporter Username: Monster Post Number: 2573 Registered: 7-2002  |
As I mentioned in another thread, SO Town Hall should be demolished, and the new building should be built in the shape of Tau. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 200 Registered: 1-2006 |
The art may have a copyright, but fair and protected comment in the public domain is what this is about. jd | ||
| Sheena Collum SHU Citizen Username: Sheena_collum Post Number: 625 Registered: 4-2005  |
MHD - as you know, I'm very much opposed to the funding aspect for TAU and the location is upsetting as well. However, the BOT has already voted on this issue and have entered into an agreement with the Smith estate. Because damage has been done - what do you suggest is a remedy? Obviously a breach of contract could potentially have severe legal and financial ramifications, thoughts? | ||
| Howard Levison Citizen Username: Levisonh Post Number: 504 Registered: 1-2004  |
Do you know what agreement the Village has entered into with the Estate? | ||
| Spitz Supporter Username: Doublea Post Number: 1581 Registered: 3-2003 |
Interesting question. If the Smith estate was gifting the rights to the Tau, under certain conditions, with SO paying the fabrication, what monetary loss has the estate sustained if SO breaches the contract? Any lawyers out there? This is all hypohetical of course. I don't think SO would just walk away and let the estate sue for damages. Edited to add: Unless there are some kind of damages specified in the contract, it seems that a gift is being made under certain conditions, and if those conditions aren't met, the gift is not given. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3648 Registered: 5-2001 |
Sheena, I have learned that proposing tangible ideas here on MOL only gives Matthews & Gross time to prepare reasons to shoot the idea down. I think there are plenty of things that can be done and they should be brought before the BOT in public. | ||
| Spitz Supporter Username: Doublea Post Number: 1582 Registered: 3-2003 |
You're absolutely right, MHD. If there weren't damages in the contract before, there will be now. | ||
| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 3117 Registered: 9-2003 |
I believe that we are in contract with the estate and the fabricator. The fact that the BOT was misled (ok, lied to)into thinking that the lion's share of the cost of this project would come from Grant money does not negate the contract. Whatever we owe them must be fullfilled one way or another. My question regarding the contract with the estate is if there is a time frame for installation. Can we meet with the TS committee representatives and find a more appropriate venue for display? I like the sclupture - just not in that small congested little area. | ||
| Spitz Supporter Username: Doublea Post Number: 1583 Registered: 3-2003 |
That's the most reasonable and constructive suggestion offered yet. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 201 Registered: 1-2006 |
May I have a copy of the contract? Where is one available to the public? jd | ||
| SOSully Citizen Username: Sullymw Post Number: 1197 Registered: 5-2001 |
I stood and looked at that spot this morning...I think motorists will be frightened by it as they approach. Also, since it is such a small circle, isn't it possible that the sculpture could prove dangerous by blocking the view ahead? | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 202 Registered: 1-2006 |
By the way, you might consider breaching the contract, upon grounds of misfeasance, or worse, let the estate depose town gov officials, and an independent lawyer hired to rep the town, because of conflicts due to misrepresenting funding to public, gets to question the Right Honorable druggist and the town scrivener and amanuensis about the agreements and representations to the public and federal granting authority. I volunteer. jd | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3649 Registered: 5-2001 |
Maybe we should sell John Gross' nice taxpayer-funded SUV and fire Ed Matthews to pay for this financial f*** - up?  | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 203 Registered: 1-2006 |
Well, there are no damages if there was a breach, unless the town's Clarence Darrow incoporated a liquidated damages clause, to punish the town. Negotiate a small buy out, and be done with it. jd | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 8961 Registered: 4-1997  |
I second Mr. Dranove's offer. We could even sell tickets to the deposition to buy a nice Smith sculpture for a local park. | ||
| michael brant Citizen Username: Mbrant Post Number: 175 Registered: 10-2005 |
so sully it is going where the gazebo is not in the circle | ||
| SOSully Citizen Username: Sullymw Post Number: 1198 Registered: 5-2001 |
ok thanks | ||
| Sheena Collum SHU Citizen Username: Sheena_collum Post Number: 626 Registered: 4-2005 |
As far as my knowledge, and I have not read the contract itself, but I believe the location is in the contract itself as it was determined by the art community in South Orange and the estate prior to Mrs. Smith passing. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2661 Registered: 5-2004  |
But what damages would there be if we reneged? Breach of contract only carries a penalty if there are real damages. |
