| Author | Message | ||
     Vivian Citizen Username: Taubalon Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2004 |
Heard a rumor that there was a shooting in Grove Park today. Anyone know if there is any truth to this? | ||
| noracoombs Citizen Username: Noracoombs Post Number: 145 Registered: 8-2002 |
The shooting wasn't in Grove Park--it was outside the strip of stores on South Orange Ave. directly across from Fairview Ave. Happened at around 4:30--sounded like about 7-8 shots fired. Looked like two people were shot--one seriously. CPR was performed at the scene--not sure if that guy survived. The other guy looked to have a leg injury. The whole area is still police-taped off. | ||
| Pizzaz Supporter Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 3588 Registered: 11-2001  |
I heard the same as nora. This is a freak occurrence and let's hope the last. I would think a full investigation will unfurl the truth and the perpetrators will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. It's very possible one of the victims did not make it. | ||
| Old and Gray Citizen Username: Pastmyprime Post Number: 341 Registered: 2-2005 |
I wouldn't call it a freak occurance...This isn't the first shooting in S.O., but its the first time in a while someone got hit by a shooter. | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 23069 Registered: 6-2001  |
There was a homicide on South Orange Avenue near Grove Park today. Another person was shot but survived. It may have been in Regan's Liquors (hard to tell from the police chatter going on). A very, very sad situation.  | ||
| John Ace Citizen Username: Johnnyace Post Number: 30 Registered: 10-2003 |
http://www.nj.com/weblogs/jersey/index.ssf?/mtlogs/njo_jerseyside/archives/2006_ 05.html#138579 | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9364 Registered: 4-1997  |
Let's review: sculpture or more police? | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 23081 Registered: 6-2001 |
Dave, I think in times such as these we should thank our police force and sympathize with what constitutes their job. I would not want to deal with murdered people. Flock that! | ||
| FlyingSpaghettiMonst Citizen Username: Noodlyappendage Post Number: 105 Registered: 11-2005 |
And after two years of hiring one police officer with the money saved, what are you gonna get rid of next to keep him/her? | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 23082 Registered: 6-2001 |
What the f are you talking about? | ||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 3889 Registered: 5-2001  |
Maybe Dave will clarify what he meant. -s. Oh, and please, no pro proff proffffannnni Ttttty, Betttttts. | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 23084 Registered: 6-2001 |
Fork off, shmuck. This is not a laughing matter, | ||
| noracoombs Citizen Username: Noracoombs Post Number: 146 Registered: 8-2002 |
Bets: From word on the street (and judging from the number of police officers on the premises), the shooting actually took place in/outside the hair salon in that strip of stores. I assumed at first that it was some sort of liquor store robbery gone bad, but it doesn't seem like that was the case. | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 1336 Registered: 7-2004  |
S.O.D.A., maybe you should find a less somber thread to be a jerk in. I won't debate you on this thread, find another one and start there with me. Leave your idiotic postings out of this one though, seriously. No, I'm not kidding. Find me on anther thread somewhere for your comeback. | ||
| tomp Citizen Username: Tomp Post Number: 20 Registered: 5-2001 |
Nothing in the Star-Ledger today (that I could find). Does anyone have any more information about the incident today? There was an armed robbery at the corner next these shops a couple of years ago, and it surprised me that someone would do something like that right there on S.O Avenue, just a couple of blocks up from the S.O. police station. You'd expect the likelihood of a police cruiser to be randomly passing by there to be high enough to make people think twice. After the shooting yesterday, there were at least five or six S.O. and Maplewood police cars at the scene and you could tell from the way they were moving around and from the way they talked to each other that they were shook up, too. | ||
| John Ace Citizen Username: Johnnyace Post Number: 31 Registered: 10-2003 |
I actually called The Star-Ledger about this shooting at about 5:15 or 5:30 Saturday afternoon. i talked to someone at the news desk who said they had not heard about the shooting. i was pretty disappointed there was nothing in the paper today. I don't think this was a robbery. And I think it was centered on the hair place, not the liquor store or any of the food places. Somebody I talked to said they saw someone go into the hair place, then they saw someone else run out of the hair place and that second person was the victim. | ||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 3892 Registered: 5-2001 |
Last thread drift/recap for two hundred miles: *To start with: Dave's last post was misunderstood by Bets, who made it all about herself with a self-righteous stand in support of beleagered cops. *Then: FSM came to the rescue of ugly black metallic art everywhere, challenging both the "either/or" nature of Dave's premise as well as what FSM must see as Dave's "short-term" thinking. FSM's post was also somehow misunderstood by Bets, whose request for an explanation included a seven-letter (just for emphasis, I suppose) "f" word, which has since been edited to its current abbreviated "f" length. *Next: I suggested that Dave rephrase his post in words that Bets could comprehend, and then, mimicking the syntactic stylings of her previous post, reminded her of the unambiguously-phrased MOL rule/guideline against naughty language. *And of course: Within moments I was rebuffed with venom, poor spelling, and defective puntuation (is there a trend here?) by Bets, by now well past reasonable discourse. *So: Hizzoner attempted the high degree of difficulty "civilly defend the honor of this thread while also piling on with my drinking buddy" move (I gave him an 8.5, BTW), vaguely daring me to face him on Main Street at high noon. I pass. (For the sake of brevity, I've ignored the intervening (and actually thread-relevant) posts by Noracoombs, Tomp, and JohnnyAce) Anyhow, we're all sober now (I hope), so this sort of ugly incident will probably never happen again. And Dave, it was all your fault. That'll teach you to interject pithy humor into a thread which has devolved into a raging rumormill. As for the rest of you: there's nothing left to see here, people. Return to your homes. -s. | ||
| Jersey girl Citizen Username: Critterlover Post Number: 24 Registered: 2-2004 |
[deleted] Please do NOT post information that could identify witnesses. | ||
| Pizzaz Supporter Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 3592 Registered: 11-2001 |
There is plenty left to see. The incident needs to be fully disclosed. We haven't heard an official account of the situation that entails a homicide in our village. Was it robbery at the liquor store, or a bad drug deal that took its business to the afro hair salon? I think we all have a right to know. Oh, and Stacey if this is the changing demographics you refer to - then you can certainly kiss my white •••. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 846 Registered: 7-2005  |
Afro hair salon? | ||
| phd6786 Citizen Username: Phd6786 Post Number: 14 Registered: 3-2006  |
Pizzazz, What about Stacey and your white •••? No-one said, as yet, what the race of the perpetrator was. Since there is no other info, did you automatically assume he was an African-American? | ||
| Old and Gray Citizen Username: Pastmyprime Post Number: 342 Registered: 2-2005 |
ohhhhhh lets all get liberal and not see rationally now. You can make that assumption because it all points to a gang style killing...Broad daylight with complete disregard of everyone around, jump in a car and run. Pizzazz's statements were a bit out of line, but I sort of agree with his intent. However, I think its too early to demand disclosure of facts as the incident is only hours old, however, a statement from the police advising residents that a shooting did occure through the media would have been right. We all live next to gangland USA and you don't expect any of it to filter out into our streets once in a while. Get used to it, because it isn't like this is gonna be the last time something like this happens. | ||
| tomp Citizen Username: Tomp Post Number: 21 Registered: 5-2001 |
The victims were certainly black, and the one eyewitness I spoke with said the shooter was black too. But, this incident is clearly about gangs, not demographics. People move here to get themselves and their kids away from stuff like this. (..up to now, at least.) | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 849 Registered: 7-2005 |
How do we know that it was gang related. Coulda just been two um ...lets not drop the N bomb just yet... Prolly just two "afros" beefin'. Gangland USA? ::Sigh:: I guess we should just round up all the black students at Columbia and start givin' them this. L.A. Math test City of Los Angeles High School Math Proficiency Exam Name:____________________ Gang:________________________ 1. Duane has an AK47 with a 30 round clip. If he misses 6 out of 10 shots and shoots 13 times at each drive by shooting, how many drive by shootings can he attempt before he has to reload? 2. If Jose has two ounces of cocaine and he sells an 8 ball to Jackson for $320 and 2 grams to Billy for $85 per gram, what is the street value of the balance of the cocaine if he doesn't cut it? 3. Rufus is pimping for three girls. If the price is $65 for each trick, how many tricks will each girl have to turn so Rufus can pay for his $800 per day crack habit? 4. Jarome wants to cut his 1/2 pound of Heroin to make 20% more profit. How many ounces of cut will he need? 5. Willie gets $200 for stealing a BMW, $50 for a Chevy and $100 for a 4x4. If he has stolen 2 BMW's and 3 4x4's, how many Chevy's will he have to steal to make $800? 6. Raoul is in prison for 6 years for murder. He got $10,000 for the hit. If his common law wife is spending $100 per month, how much money will he have left when he gets out of prison and how many years will he get for killing her since she spent his money? 7. If the average spray paint can covers 22 square feet and the average letter is 3 square feet, how many letters can a tagger spray with 3 cans of paint? 8. Hector knocked up six girls in his gang. There are 27 girls in the gang. What percentage of the girls in the gang has Hector knocked up? | ||
| combustion Citizen Username: Spontaneous Post Number: 21 Registered: 4-2006 |
In reference to Police Officers vs. stupid-ugly-sculptures-that-no-one-seems-to-want debate I've been told (from a reliable source) that adding an extra officer to the payroll would increase the average homeowners tax by $35 per year. No, I'm not missing any 0's on that number. You will of course argue that as time goes on the officers pay will increase. You need to remember that as time goes on other more senior officers will retire, helping to balance that increase. Policing this (or any) town does not take up as much money as you might think. The largest cut of property tax money goes to schools. And PLEASE don't misinterpret what I'm saying here, the schools need that money. What I'm saying is don't freak out at the thought of hiring an extra officer or two, or maybe even buying them some new equipment so they can do their jobs better. It's a needed service and paying a few dollars now is better than living in a crime ridden area later. BTW, Glock, real mature. | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9369 Registered: 4-1997 |
First security, then redevelopment and, if redevelopment is successful, sculptures. Not the reverse. This isn't rocket science. | ||
| Spitz Supporter Username: Doublea Post Number: 1755 Registered: 3-2003 |
Don't forget, we're going to need additional police officers when SOPAC opens, in any event. The BOT has also been talking about installing cameras in the SOPAC lot and other areas. There will be a significant cost for this. (Maybe that's why they want a SID.) | ||
| Old and Gray Citizen Username: Pastmyprime Post Number: 343 Registered: 2-2005 |
Great so we can record crime and watch it later... | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 850 Registered: 7-2005 |
Combustion, I was working with what i was given I love how the term "Maplehood" got people all offended...but "gangland usa" is OK. | ||
| Brett Weir Citizen Username: Brett_weir Post Number: 1520 Registered: 4-2004  |
The Village has already added the Pulte homes, the apartments on Third St., the commuter parking lot and had the Mid-Town Direct several years without adding cops. Now we're building a performing arts center, developing a supermarket- cum-townhouses on the Ave. and exploring more housing expansion on Valley Street with no mention of additional police. This shooting is probably gang-related and is nothing unusual in Essex County. Maplewood has also had gang-related shootings this year, and gang activity is likely to continue overflowing into the suburbs. Dave is right; there is no point developing and splurging on fine art when our basic public safety needs haven't been upgraded in a long time. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 456 Registered: 1-2006 |
So, the "new demographic" on the board will help us get more police, and less sculpture? jd | ||
| Sonk Citizen Username: Sonk Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2004 |
Wassup with people trynna make a connection between the shooting and the barbershop? the barbershop had nothing to do with it. I got there a few minutes after i heard the shots and i got the same story Jerseygirl just told you all. It had nothing to do with the "Afro Hair Salon" nor was it necessarily gang related. so lets stop trying to attach your fears to this rare event in this town that had nothing to do with the number of cops in that immediate are or the demographics of the area. p.s. i think the police responded very well to the shooting they got there quickly there really wasnt much they could do for the dude who died(Allah bless his soul). I do know that a lot of people are afraid right now but this isnt really somethin we should be worried too much about its a freak occurance. South Orange is still the nice town that you all want to believe it is. | ||
| Sonk Citizen Username: Sonk Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2004 |
correction maplewodd didnt have a gang related shooting that shooting had nothing to do with gangs. it had to with A big brother protecting his younger brother and someone shot him for it. the boy who got shot was a friend of mine we went to columbia together and he was not in a gang. | ||
| Joan Supporter Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 7402 Registered: 5-2001 |
I assume from the information posted above that it is correct to infer that yesterday afternoon a person died of unnatural causes on South Orange Avenue not far from the Police Station. Whether this was a random event or a premeditiated one, there is a person DEAD. The conditions which lead to this person's death could be repeated in the future with another person dying. Am I the only one to find this a trifle disturbing? Shouldn't we all be much more concerned about taking the steps necessary to try and prevent a recurrance of this type of event than jumping down each other's throats? I would think this is a time for unity not bickering. | ||
| justmelaura Citizen Username: Justmelaura Post Number: 536 Registered: 5-2001 |
Thank you, Joan. As always, very well put. | ||
| NORA Citizen Username: Norav Post Number: 153 Registered: 6-2004  |
How do you prevent someone from driving down the street, seeing someone they dislike and jumping out of a car and shooting them. Unfortunately this is not the first homicide in town and you can guarantee that we will have more. | ||
| Brett Weir Citizen Username: Brett_weir Post Number: 1524 Registered: 4-2004 |
Joan- IMO the best way to deter future occurrences is to increase police presence. SOPD will surely solve this case and make arrests, which is an excellent deterrent. But the continued increases in housing and commuter use with no increase in public safety personnel will dilute the effectiveness of even the best police agency. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 458 Registered: 1-2006 |
True, but not on the BOT agenda. jd | ||
| cmontyburns Citizen Username: Cmontyburns Post Number: 1812 Registered: 12-2003  |
How would having more police officers have prevented this shooting, which took place roughly two blocks from police headquarters? Sounds like someone was determined to shoot someone else, and circumstances weren't going to get in the way. Cops are constantly in, around, or driving by Grove Park. I walk my dogs in the area all the time, and it's rare for me to not encounter a police car at some point. TWO south orange officers live within a block and a half of where this shooting took place. Seems like to have stopped this particular shooting, you would have needed to intercede far earlier in the timeline of madness that let up to it. More police on the streets is never a bad thing, but it too often becomes the only thing. | ||
| red_alert Citizen Username: Red_alert Post Number: 246 Registered: 3-2005 |
Events like this doesn't help effots to lure our Seton Hall residents to come into town. Why risk getting shot when they are "safe" behind their university grounds. At least Vailsburg has filled store fronts. |
