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     Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1314 Registered: 10-2004  |
I was in the village pizzeria, and it turns out that the town has forced the barber shop (thats what it is you know. They will cut anyones hair, try it you might be very pleasantly surprised) to close down by 8PM. They want the pizza shop to put all new awnings on his place, bleach the sidewalk, remove some existing graffiti, and more stuff I just cant remember. Whats up with that? Why should the town be harrassing these hard working South Orange businesses? The horrible shooting occured at 4:30 in the afternoon. If it didnt occur there is very well could have happened outside of Bunnys or outside of Calabreses pharmacy. These things can happen anywhere at anytime. This is American land of the gun (show them Glock) and violence occurs in every town everywhere from time to time. Why harrass the businesses? | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4992 Registered: 1-2004  |
Woah wait a second!!!! Why are the businesses the ones to have to clean up after the shooting? If there is blood on the sidewalk I sure wouldn't want to have anything to do with cleaning it up if I were the owner of the pizza place. (Is this Pirates Pizza by the way)? I think they should make the creep who did the shooting clean it up. He was arrested, wasn't he? | ||
| thegoodsgt Citizen Username: Thegoodsgt Post Number: 971 Registered: 2-2002  |
Two different issues here, I think. If there's cleanup to do after a shooting, I would think the police or town would coordinate that. If there's graffiti or poorly maintained buildings, the building owner should be responsible for that. I think the idea is that a clean and well-maintained town is less likely to attract crime than one that is decrepit. I think the same thing applies to us homeowners. We should be removing any trash or debris that collects on our lawns rather than let things slowly and incrementally go to s**t. | ||
| FlyingSpaghettiMonst Citizen Username: Noodlyappendage Post Number: 120 Registered: 11-2005 |
Pay attention Auntie, it's Village Pizzeria, Not Pirate.. You post so much misinformation ,even if you couch it in question marks.Hoops said "village". | ||
| Phenixrising Citizen Username: Phenixrising Post Number: 1633 Registered: 9-2004  |
Whoops! I think auntie's on a different channel  @ thegoodsgt… I agree. Hoops, You do have a point about the barber shop. Why close at 8:PM? Now at 1 AM, you are inviting trouble. Since the barbershop is on a main Ave. this could welcome some perps a chance to rob the place after hours. This puts the owners of the babershop and customers in danger of a crime of opportunity. | ||
| Josh Holtz Citizen Username: Jholtz Post Number: 427 Registered: 4-2004 |
I agree with the Sarge ... and there is absolutely no reason for any hair/nail establishment to be opened past 8:00. | ||
| Old and Gray Citizen Username: Pastmyprime Post Number: 351 Registered: 2-2005 |
I think 8 is early, but 930 or 10 pm...would be a reasonable compromise. and the only ramification for me is I'll be getting my Cluck U in Morristown after work now, and avoiding that set of stores for now on. That area is devoid of any reasonable enforcement of any kind...there are people hanging all over the place, the stores are filthy, there is garbage loosely piled in front of the building 24/7, and there's no parking available, and no enforcement of the parking regulations anyway. Why should I stop at a store, If I can't park within a reasonable distance. Make it half hour or hour long parking in that area, or meter it out. | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1316 Registered: 10-2004 |
Why are these businesses being penalized for a crime that happened in broad daylight in the afternoon on South Orange Avenue two blocks from the police precinct? It makes zero sense. If the barber shop has customers that want a haircut at 1AM, who are you to say they cant cut hair and make a buck? They are on the main avenue in the town and they are open. If the pizza shop can be open late, why not the barber shop. Fact of the matter is that they do plenty of late night business. Old and Gray - one of the proprietors of the row of shops there told me they cant get their garbage picked up as frequently as needed even though they have complained about it as well. BTW - Morristown or anywhere in America can see the exact same incident. We are the land of guns. It seems to me that because this happened at all the punishment for the crime is being meted out to the business owners. Its not fair. Yes they should maintain their buildings and keep their appearances up. The question is why is that all of a sudden being enforced for this group of stores and not all over town? | ||
| Stevef Citizen Username: Stevef Post Number: 206 Registered: 5-2005  |
Why is it suddenly a penalty to have to obey town ordinances? | ||
| tomp Citizen Username: Tomp Post Number: 22 Registered: 5-2001 |
Some of my neighbors have talked to the pizzeria owners after the shooting, and my understanding is that the owners took it upon themselves to ask the hair salon to close earlier. I didn't get any sense that the town was pushing them to do anything against their wishes. They are unsurprisingly as (or more) upset about this as anyone. I assume that the idea behind asking the salon to close earlier is to prevent it from being a nighttime hangout for people. The big question in my mind is still, what was a gangster like Michael Mickle doing hanging around that area on a Saturday afternoon, anyway? | ||
| Stevef Citizen Username: Stevef Post Number: 207 Registered: 5-2005 |
Obviously trying to regain his turf after leaving jail. He needed a cash business to hang out in. He needed to be near SHU (his market). He Needed to be just far enough over Newark border to be out of others turf (or so he thought). He needed a black establishment so he could blend in. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4995 Registered: 1-2004 |
Flying Hey, that's why I asked! I didn't know there were two pizza places up that way. Pirates Pizza is also on the Ave. I only knew that because I've past it one of the very few times I travel down South Orange Ave. I thought maybe 'Prates Pizza' might have been a nickname given to the place because so many SH students got pizza there. | ||
| LW Citizen Username: Lrw Post Number: 128 Registered: 10-2005 |
SteveF-You are joking, right? | ||
| Josh Holtz Citizen Username: Jholtz Post Number: 428 Registered: 4-2004 |
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for a barber shop to be open at 1:00am. That's just ridiculous. And like Stevef said I believe there is a town ordinance on closing times for certain types of businesses, such as nail salons, beauty & barber shops. | ||
| cmontyburns Citizen Username: Cmontyburns Post Number: 1819 Registered: 12-2003  |
OK, reality check. The Barber Shop is not "open at 1 a.m." The owners of the barber shop occasionally hang out inside after hours -- I know the son of one of them is prone to playing videogames in the place. The shop is not open -- the lights are generally off, there isn't traffic going in and out. I've observed this many times, and have talked with the guys who work there when walking my dogs. The traffic in that area, such as there is any traffic, is driven by the three restaurants (Cluck U, Village Pizza, and the Chinese place), as well as the liquor store. All of these places are popular with Seton Hall students, and with residents in the area. They're also all operated by extremely nice people who (particularly in the case of Village Pizza) have been big supporters of the local schools and Seton Hall. A police car is parked in front of the area often, as the cops grab food there frequently. (One South Orange officer also lives right around the corner.) This strip of shops is not the hellhole some people are trying to paint it to be. It's one of the few areas without a "coming soon" sign, the stores are popular with the neighborhood, and I see police officers there constantly (as customers). This shooting was a random event that could have happened anywhere in town. There is plenty we can do to try to prevent things like this from happening in the future, but going after these business owners isn't going to help. | ||
| SO1969 Citizen Username: Bklyn1969 Post Number: 299 Registered: 7-2004 |
I see police there as well. The last 3 times I've been - 2x at Cluck U and 1x at Village Pizzeria - I saw cops picking up food 2 of 3 times. It is interesting that the reason I was at the pizza place - not my usual choice - was that it was after 10 p.m. and they were open. Perhaps Pizzaz wants to limit his late night competition. On the barber front, I'm guessing a lot of the clientele has hairstyles that require frequent trimmings, so late night hours make sense. Not sure after midnight makes sense, but 8 p.m. would be too early to close for me during the week if I wanted frequent cuts. | ||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 3938 Registered: 5-2001  |
Just a tiny thread drift here: "Village" (as we call the pizza place) makes pretty good food, and sells huge portions at ridiculously low prices. And they deliver. We're frequent customers, for their chicken parm sammiches, baked ziti with vodka sauce, and even (gasp) the occasional pizza. If you haven't tried the place, check it out. -s. | ||
| wolfy Citizen Username: Locowolfy Post Number: 57 Registered: 10-2005 |
good grief!! if you want to eliminate crime in EVERY area, just put in a Dunkin Doughnuts!!! You will have more POLICE activity (free belly building products attract the Police) than you will ever need!!! | ||
| bettyd Citizen Username: Badjtdso Post Number: 229 Registered: 12-2005 |
According to the news reports, the victim was a high ranking member of the Bloods, a notorious and extremely violent gang. He had served time for murdering someone in 1997 in a dispute over drug turf. Is anyone else besides me concerned that this individual was walking the streets of SO and doing business in a local establishment? (Was he geting his haircut?). Also, why is a member of the Bloods, who murdered someone in a drug beef in 1997(not that long ago), out on any street in 2006? This incident couldn't have happened anywhere. It happened here. I see a lot of bizarre comments on this board: It is nothing to worry about, just a random, targeted event. Happens everywhere. What are you people thinking?!?! Another Board on the topic is discussing racial comments someone made, and then apologized for, and the shooting is no longer even discussed. This town needs to emphasize public safety and quality of life above all else or we're in trouble. | ||
| Politicalmon Citizen Username: Politicalmon Post Number: 152 Registered: 9-2005  |
I have to disagree with the amount of police presence by the set of stores where the incident occurred. I travel by the establishment every day both going to work and coming home and also drive by over the weekends. I've noticed that particularly on weekends Fri-Sat during the early evenings there are always people hanging out in front which makes it look like an extension from Vailsburg in addition to the flagrant disregard for the traffic law. This isn't something that occurs once and a while - I witness this 20-25% of the time I pass the establishment. Cars a constantly parking in front of the liquor store and facing west on SO Avenue and making U turns in front of the oncoming traffic. It is so blatant and frequent that I just assume that SOPD just couldn't be bothered with such behavior. Given this occurred just 2 blocks from the police station makes me wonder what the administrators are doing over there? I know we have some dedicated, proactive and reliable police officers on the force, actually witnessed this first hand yesterday. Not sure where the disconnect is concerning the disregard for traffic regulations in front of Pirate Pizza or the disregard of traffic speed and signals on South Orange or Centre Street. When I questioned a police official about this last year I was told it was a manpower issue. Given the quick response to an incident I witnessed last night I disagree but then again perhaps the need for extended backup oversees the desire to take out time to write tickets? | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1323 Registered: 10-2004 |
let me see if I understand you - Businesses should pre-screen their customers because they might just be ex-convicts or doctors or truck drivers or cops? I dont get it. There is no test at the door of any barber shop I know of that asks if you are a citizen or a criminal or does a background check. Are you saying that the barber shop has illegal business with the Bloods? What proof do you offer, what clues have you seen or heard? Should we have signs out 'No Guns in Town Limit' and Wyatt Earp in the police station ready to investiage all people passing through town? Are you of the opinion that the Bloods are setting up shop in South Orange, right next to the police station? The fact is the incident would and could have happened anywhere. If this guy had stepped into the Rite Aid it would have happened there, if he had gone to Kings in Maplewood, it would have happened right there, if he was at the mall in Livingston, it would have happened there. He was hunted and found and the killing happened where it did. There is ZERO reason to bring the barber shop, pizza shop, cluck u, chinese food or liquor store into the equation. | ||
| Jersey_Boy Citizen Username: Jersey_boy Post Number: 787 Registered: 1-2006  |
Maybe he was out on good behavior, and was going door to door at the shops looking for a straight job. He was only begining to start his better life, rehabilitated, when his violent past caught up with him before he could even begin. While we're theorizing... J.B. | ||
| thegoodsgt Citizen Username: Thegoodsgt Post Number: 973 Registered: 2-2002 |
Good behavior, straight job, better life, rehabilitation.... Raises a good question. If you kill someone, should you ever be allowed to walk the streets? Perhaps more interestingly, would your answer change if that person murdered your mother, father, son, daughter, etc.? | ||
| bettyd Citizen Username: Badjtdso Post Number: 230 Registered: 12-2005 |
Hoops-does it bother you, concern you in any way that a drug dealer that murdered someone is walking the streets of SO and getting his haircut? Forget for the moment that it can't be stopped. Does it bother or concern you? The papers also report that the victim was shot by another member of the Bloods. It appears to have been some internal Bloods beef. What a bunch of winners these guys are. I have no idea whether the barber shop, etc. has "illegal business with the Bloods" or legitimate business with the Bloods or any business with the Bloods. Do you know for certain that they do not have any of the foregoing? A gang murder took place in SO and I want to know all the facts behind it. I'm not going to immediately conclude it could have happened anywhere and the place the victim was leaving had no involvement whatsoever. I'm no detective, but I would sure like to know how the assailant found out the victim was at that location and happened upon him just as he was leaving. I beg to differ, there is reason to bring the barber shop, etc. into the equation and I hope the police ask questions of all those establishments and their owners/patrons concerning what they have witnessed there and whether members of a violent gang frequent any of those places. If, after a thorough investigation, this turns out to be a random, happenstance event, so be it. I'm still not happy about it but so be it. It is you and many others who are jumping to conclusions. Fortunately, you're not a detective either and we will leave this to the professionals. Since I know many of them I know they will do a thorough job. Again, this didn't happen anywhere and couldn't have happened anywhere. It happened here. Rather, it appears to my untrained mind to have been a set up, and I would like to know whether it was. I don't know that, but I bet it was. | ||
| wolfy Citizen Username: Locowolfy Post Number: 58 Registered: 10-2005 |
ANYONE EVER HEARD OF THE "LOITERING" ORDINANCE??? this is used to disband all hanger outters!! If the police gave a s22t they would use this> not as a target device< but to disperse the non-wanted, ie: LOITTERERS!!!! | ||
| Kibbegirl Citizen Username: Kibbegirl Post Number: 553 Registered: 5-2003 |
cmontyburns has stated that the barber shop is NOT open 'til 1am, people! Is anyone listening? These businesses had nothing to do with the shooting. Nothing. They were open for business, conducting business, minding their own business and a crime was committed. A few years ago when the Fur Salon was robbed on Scotland Road, I didn't read or hear of Villagers stating that the Fur Salon should not be open after a certain time of day. S.O. Avenue is a main thoroughfare and we need to understand that we cannot control the type of people traffic that enter our 'hoods. This is an unfortunate event on many levels. Let's not go pointing fingers at our local businesses that need our support. | ||
| Shanabana Citizen Username: Shanabana Post Number: 388 Registered: 10-2005  |
"Yes they should maintain their buildings and keep their appearances up. The question is why is that all of a sudden being enforced for this group of stores and not all over town?" I agree. Let's move the other direction on South orange ave, too. I think: they should force Bunny's to get rid of all those ugly little old trinkets, put up new awnings, and stop piping music onto the street which encourages loiterers. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 477 Registered: 1-2006 |
Does anyone know if our police have a gang investigation/ntelligence officer? jd | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 478 Registered: 1-2006 |
police spelling officer? jd | ||
| Shanabana Citizen Username: Shanabana Post Number: 389 Registered: 10-2005 |
And now for a little historical perspective: Did you know that South Orange ave was originally a native American thoroughfare? | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1326 Registered: 10-2004 |
bettyd - my response - Hoops-does it bother you, concern you in any way that a drug dealer that murdered someone is walking the streets of SO and getting his haircut? Forget for the moment that it can't be stopped. Does it bother or concern you? Yes, it does bother me. I wish that we could eradicate the scourge of drugs and remove this cancer from our society. However there are drug dealers everywhere, from all walks of life, that I am sure that we (royal we) meet daily and dont have a clue. Next to you in the movies or at pathmark or sitting on the midtown direct, you would not know. Why taint the barber shop as doing business with drug dealers? Would you say NJ Transit does business with them too? The papers also report that the victim was shot by another member of the Bloods. It appears to have been some internal Bloods beef. What a bunch of winners these guys are. I have no idea whether the barber shop, etc. has "illegal business with the Bloods" or legitimate business with the Bloods or any business with the Bloods. Do you know for certain that they do not have any of the foregoing? I see, so by this logic we should automatically assume that because the guy got a haircut at a barber shop that somehow they should be associated in some other way. They have a walkin business, why should I think otherwise. Guilt by association? A gang murder took place in SO and I want to know all the facts behind it. I'm not going to immediately conclude it could have happened anywhere and the place the victim was leaving had no involvement whatsoever. Why should you conclude that there was involvement. The story appears on its face very basic. Man is involved in murder of innocent. Man goes to jail as accomplice to murder. Man gets out of jail and kin of victim takes revenge. You read into that complicity in a barber shop? Too deep for me I'm no detective, but I would sure like to know how the assailant found out the victim was at that location and happened upon him just as he was leaving. I beg to differ, there is reason to bring the barber shop, etc. into the equation and I hope the police ask questions of all those establishments and their owners/patrons concerning what they have witnessed there and whether members of a violent gang frequent any of those places. If, after a thorough investigation, this turns out to be a random, happenstance event, so be it. I'm still not happy about it but so be it. I am sure that the police are asking the relevant questions to get to the facts of the matter. I am sure that detectives have asked the owners and workers at the barber shop, pizza shop, etc about the incident. It would be interesting to find out if the owners of these places knew of what gang affiliations their patrons were, if any, at the time of their patronage but its not against the law to buy a slice or get a haircut It is you and many others who are jumping to conclusions. What conclusion did I make? That the business should not be tainted as a criminal enterprise on the basis of a rumor and blind speculation? Fortunately, you're not a detective either and we will leave this to the professionals. Since I know many of them I know they will do a thorough job. And its a good thing too Again, this didn't happen anywhere and couldn't have happened anywhere. It happened here. Rather, it appears to my untrained mind to have been a set up, and I would like to know whether it was. I don't know that, but I bet it was. I disagree, even if it was a set up, that could occur anywhere. We live in a metropolitan area with a huge population and these crimes are occuring daily all around us. The fact that this one tainted the pristine world of South Orange is what makes it special. For the record I would love to see the murderer get caught and brought to justice swiftly, I live very close and would not like to have my family of myself be caught up violence, however we cant pick and choose what happens in the world, and living in fear of random violence is no way to live. | ||
| Old and Gray Citizen Username: Pastmyprime Post Number: 353 Registered: 2-2005 |
If you think Gang members of the bloods don't frequent South Orange...YOUR DEAD WRONG. Gangs are entering the far end of Western NJ, and we are literally within 2 minutes of their home territory. We have both an ideal environment for the drug trade and for auto related crimes. What better place to get several sets of expensive high end auto headlights or whole cars. or do a drug transaction in obscurity in a quiet street or municipal park. To say that we have a lot of gang members living in town may be false, but if you don't think they don't frequent our businesses or use our recreational facilities your not thinking clearly. Try out this analogy: I assume being in a gang is almost like an actual job, and gang members I am sure gang members see South Orange, Maplewood, Union, East Hanover, and Livingston as places to be away from their full time job of being in a gang to shop, eat, and hangout. Just cause they are in town doesn't mean they have to be doing gang business...this guy was apparently just getting a haircut, but his presence alone contributed to the murder occuring in South Orange. | ||
| bettyd Citizen Username: Badjtdso Post Number: 231 Registered: 12-2005 |
Kibbegirl-how do you know those businesses "had nothing to do with the shooting. Nothing." That sounds like a conclusion to me. What investigation have you conducted? How do you know someone from one of those businesses didn't call the shooter and alert him to the victim's presence? Do I know that happened? No. Do I know it didn't? No. If someone from one of those businesses had done so, would that be involvement in your book? I'm not a betting person but I'm willing to wager that is exactly what happened. Let's see how the investigation goes. Maybe it is possible that a noted Bloods gang member/murderer with enemies just happened to decide one day to go get his haircut at a place he had never tried before in bucolic SO. Again, that may be the case but I just can't help doubting it. I do want to know if any of those businesses have any connection to gang members/activity. Do they? I don't know. This shooting gives me grounds for concern. It should give all of us of grounds for concern. Why is everyone so sure there is absolutley no connection, or no possibility of gang members having a connection, with any of those establishments? I hope I'm wrong and this was as random as everyone thinks. | ||
| jeep Citizen Username: Jeep Post Number: 112 Registered: 8-2005 |
What time are the bars and restaurants in town closing? 2:00 AM? But you are not allowd to get a haircut at 1:00AM. What is up with that? | ||
| Phenixrising Citizen Username: Phenixrising Post Number: 1648 Registered: 9-2004 |
Why is everyone so sure there is absolutley no connection, or no possibility of gang members having a connection, with any of those establishments? bettyd, These establishments are 2 blocks away from the Police station. I believe our Police Dept would be VERY aware if there was gang activity happening at this location. If they're not, then there IS reason for concern. Why label these businesses when you are not sure of the facts? I'm quite sure BOTH Newark & the SO Police Depts. are on this case and hope to solve this soon to rest the uneasiness of the citizens of SO and yourself. | ||
| K_soze Citizen Username: K_soze Post Number: 166 Registered: 11-2005  |
Why would Newark PD concern themselves with this case? | ||
| Phenixrising Citizen Username: Phenixrising Post Number: 1650 Registered: 9-2004 |
K_soze, I'm sure the SO Police Dept will require Newarks help in capturing the perps. The "9 Tre Gangster" Bloods street gang I believe are from the Newark area. Most likely the Newark Police with the Essex County Prosecutor's office are helping out with this case. | ||
| bettyd Citizen Username: Badjtdso Post Number: 232 Registered: 12-2005 |
I am not labeling any of these businesses. The circumstances of this event make me curious and very concerned. Perhaps they have nothing to do with gang members and/or gang activity. I hope so, but I don't know and neither does anyone else. That is why I want the matter thoroughly checked out by the proper authorities. Everyone on this board has CONCLUDED there is no connection. You have come to conclusions, not me! Why is everyone so sure that is the case? I hope you're right but why the certainty? Sorry, but when a notorious gang member gets gunned down, execution style, in my hometown I am not going to just say stuff like this happens. | ||
| cfb Citizen Username: Cfb Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2006 |
SteveF, bettyd and Politicalmon, your postings are on the money!! IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. Why does a barber shop that operates 6 or 7days a week need to stay open past 8 PM? If you can’t make it to the shop by 8 PM on a weekday, then go during the weekend. If not, there are plenty of other barber shops east, north and southeast of South Orange that can accommodate your needs. Furthermore, most barber shops that cut hair are usually closed by 8 or 9 PM, at the latest. The barber shops that normally stay open past 9 PM are the ones with “loyal customers”, in other words local drug dealers, who come on a regular basis to gossip, get a cut and go back to dealing. When the previous proprietor operated that barber shop, it was a very nice, dignified family-oriented establishment. He was very particular about his clientele. If anyone was hanging out in front of the shop, he would tell the barbers to talk to their clients about standing in front of the shop. After he sold it, little by little the clientele started to change. It went from a nice barber shop with a family atmosphere to a Ghetto Thug magnet. I’m sure that there are many respectable clients who go to this barber shop to get their hair cut, but let me tell you…there are also a lot of less-than-respectable characters who hang out in front of that shop. The language that comes out of their mouths alone is enough to make you cringe. Someone had mentioned that the barber shop can’t screen the clients before letting them in, but I think the owner of an establishment has the responsibility and the power to set the tone of his business--- Show me your clients, and I will know who you are. There seems to be a lack of knowledge/understanding of the ramifications of the latest shooting. Are we all in denial? This was a hit. It was not a random act of violence, as some of us would like to believe. Unless we, the citizens of South Orange, seriously unite against this kind of violence, it will happen again (make no mistake about it). So…what are we doing to ensure that South Orange does not become an extension of its surrounding depressed cities? What are we doing to ensure that these Ghetto Thugs do not take over our town? If we’re concerned about our safety and maintaining our town, we should probably voice our concerns to the captain of the police department and to the board of trustees(during one of their monthly meetings). Does anyone have any thoughts, ideas or opinions about taking a stand. We need to be proactive....we can't keep moving away. | ||
| Stephanie N. Citizen Username: Stephanie_n Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2006 |
It certainly can go either way as to whether or not the barber shop was involved in this incident or with the gangs in general. What was unusual about the assailant happening upon the victim just as he was leaving? I don't know ANY of the facts, but if this guy went into the shop with a few buddies; one of those buddies could easly have been planted in that group by the assailant. And when the victim is in the chair getting his hair cut, the guy goes outside to call the assailant on his cell & give him all the info. Or the victim could have just been followed without his knowledge - that sounds pretty plausible to me as well. I just don't think anything unusual enough occurred to automatically assume the barber shop was involved. Of course, it is not something to rule out, but that is for law enforcement to determine. But I don't think it is fair to tag the business guilty without any hard facts. I grew up in that area & this is very upsetting and saddening, but considering the proximity to NYC and Newark, it really isn't a huge suprise. |
