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     Soparents Citizen Username: Soparents Post Number: 318 Registered: 5-2005 |
K_soze What happened???????? | ||
| bettyd Citizen Username: Badjtdso Post Number: 235 Registered: 12-2005 |
cfb: good posts. Your one above about SO not becoming one of the boroughs I find interesting. You haven't been on this board long, nor have I. Many of my posts have dealt with my concerns that SO is becoming more urban and less suburban. It is a trend I find disturbing but many on this board welcome. I feel I am in the minority. I want SO to concentrate on becoming a cleaner, quieter, residential community. Others say they want that too but they also want McDonald's and Wendy's in town. No joke, many people have posted they want those here. And 24 hour diners, restaurants, take out places and drug stores. And places to get your haircut at 1:00 a.m. if you feel like it. I have to ask myself what are these people thinking. This attitude that we need development, development, development without thinking of the consequences or thinking it through is a huge problem for the town. If you want an urban life style, stay in one of the boroughs or move there. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 880 Registered: 7-2005  |
A shooting happened between two no residents....could have happened any time or anyplace. You are all freaking out way too much. It could have happened at the Short Hills Mall. The shooter was going to do it, cops or no cops. | ||
| K_soze Citizen Username: K_soze Post Number: 200 Registered: 11-2005  |
Glock, I agree with you on most things you post but people are gonna "freak out" when they bust their humps to make a good life for themselves, when they raise thier children & when they pay high taxes to be somewhere they tought was somewhat safe. Yes •••• can happen anywhere but if you made a choice to live in SO rather than East Orange, Irvington or Newark you probably expect otherwise. We need people to freak out, to say something, to stand up. When you don't freak out, when you take this kind of thing with a grain of salt then you pave the way for SO to become a shithole. | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1339 Registered: 10-2004  |
K - your right. Now we are all upset that an ugly incident of this type occured here. The first thing we should be looking into is what we can do to help to eliminate gangs and gangsterism. What programs can we bring into schools that take the attractiveness and allure of gangsterism out of the equation. That will help to set some kids on a better path. It still has zero to do with the actual incident, nor does it have anything to do with hours of operation of any business. I could have agreed with bettyd had this happened at 11 or 12 at night. But thats not what happened and now there is a tremendous knee jerk reaction. Where was all the indignation before hand. I do agree that I dont want McDonalds or Wendy's or any other fast food place in town. We dont need it. But these small businesses are just that, small businesses where local people are trying to make a buck by working hard and at what they do. Its unfair to taint these people with the stain of an ugly incident that they had nothing to do with. Make SO a better place? Im all for it. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 5019 Registered: 1-2004  |
Rastro- Ooops. I didn't realize that. I thought only three seats were up for grabs in 2007. Rosen,Taylor and Calbrese. Four makes it much more interesting! Who are we going to get to run besides Mark? | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 5020 Registered: 1-2004 |
Flying My mistake. I thought you meant SHU students hang out there. But I do agree with the rest of what you said. (fwiw my sister and I both attended SH). | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 5021 Registered: 1-2004 |
Bajou- I remember being in grade school with other kids who had parents in jail for being thugs. You weren't living here then, but I have a feeling you might know who I'm talking about. Hey, Come to think of it, I think some of the kids of those men even ended up in jail. | ||
| tomp Citizen Username: Tomp Post Number: 24 Registered: 5-2001 |
It looks like there was a raid of some sort late yesterday afternoon at the strip of stores where the murder occured. There were a handful of police cars, an Essex County sheriff's car, a police dog and at least one police officer in a black SWAT-type outfit. One officer was guarding a man outside the hair salon when I happened by; I was told that two people were arrested. I assume it was a drug bust, but all I know is what I and one or two other neighbors saw. | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9410 Registered: 4-1997  |
shocking  | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 882 Registered: 7-2005 |
That movie is amazing. You assume it was a drug bust? Psssh. Contrary to the beliefs of many people on this board...some of the biggest druggies are quite wealthy, well-to-do people from wealthy, well-to-do areas | ||
| tomp Citizen Username: Tomp Post Number: 25 Registered: 5-2001 |
I just hope they weren't profiling anybody. | ||
| combustion Citizen Username: Spontaneous Post Number: 29 Registered: 4-2006 |
Need money for more police and firefighters? Why doesn't the Village use eminent domain to take SHU? According to the SHU website they have 58 acres in South Orange. If you built 4 house per acre (and that would be a large yard) you'd have 232 houses for regular TAX PAYING families. If the average property tax on those houses was $10,000, that would be $2,320,000 in revenue each year. Think of that the next time SHU brags about their "gift" they give to the town each year. I don't remember the exact amount they give, but it sure isn't anywhere near 2.3 million. And don't forget, every time they buy up off campus property that also is a tax loss for the town. They have apartments on Turrell and Valley. That kind of money every year would hire more than a few police officers and firefighters, not to mention other services that the town needs. | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9414 Registered: 4-1997 |
(minor detail: I do not mean to imply that the police knew about the alleged troubles at those store(s) prior to recent incidents with the photo of inspector Renault I posted) | ||
| Old and Gray Citizen Username: Pastmyprime Post Number: 357 Registered: 2-2005 |
Profiling is allowed in law enforcement...It is only Racial profiling that has been outlawed by state and Federal law. And I think Profiling is a sad excuse or defense that is being overused, which is nullifying actual cases of racial profiling when it is illegally used by police... Let the cops do their jobs...I see SOPD pulling over plenty of white people racing down West South Orange Avenue to catch thier train through the school zone at 7am, and I also see them down at the Newark line doing those checkpoints late at night. You see them pulling college students over racing to class on Centre street during the daytime hours. I think our cops are very fair and balanced considering they have to work in a diverse community that second guesses their actions regularly. Lets forget about race for a second...If someone got locked up at the set of stores through this investigation, there must have been a reason. Maybe there was already an investigation going on, and this murder pushed them to close it early? Basically what I am getting from some of these posts is because attention was now brought to the businesses that its racially motivated because they may be black...No one is considering that information may or may not have been brought to light during this investigation, that possibly linked something or someone from one of the businesses. Maybe the deceased Mr. Mickle was a regular at the hair place, maybe he was a regular at the pizza place, and Cluck U. Your all arguing over something that no one can back up with facts. Maybe he was followed, maybe someone tipped off the shooter he was there...Maybe it was mistaken identity? The location of the incident may be playing a bigger part in this investigation then many want to admit to...Maybe I'm wrong, and it was random because he was just there...WE ALL DON'T KNOW!!! I am willing to wait for answers from the police and prosecutors, before I start attacking individual posters. Does anyone recall the SHU fire and the method employed by the Prosecutors office to get witnesses, they went to a bar in Newark on a party night and arrested numerous underage students, and served coutless others from SHU, a predominantly white University. Would you consider that similar, or am I way off base? Regarding the hours of businesses, I do think its improper for a barber shop to be open at 1am...but I also think most businesses shouldn't be operating at that hour...My issue isn't with keeping business from making money, but for the businesses to follow the ordinances in place regarding operating a business, and if you want to operate a business in South Orange, then you will be required to do so in a manner that is consistant with the Village's practices. I think a few college oriented businesses get a free pass, but they should also be held to the standard. We don't have "fast food", all night diners, 24 hour gas stations for a reason, the town leaders want to maintain the small town Village feel. If they want to operate a 2am haircutting place, go to another town, or ask for permission from the landlord and the Village BOT. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 885 Registered: 7-2005 |
"Glock, I agree with you on most things you post but people are gonna "freak out" when they bust their humps to make a good life for themselves, when they raise thier children & when they pay high taxes to be somewhere they tought was somewhat safe. " Soze, it can happen anywhere. It doesn't matter whether or not they busted their humps working for a good life. Hell if it had happened in front of some expensive store in Millburn...would you all be questioning who frequents that store? No, you wouldn't. It's because the concept of 'black' business scares a lot of people that this discussion is taking place. | ||
| combustion Citizen Username: Spontaneous Post Number: 30 Registered: 4-2006 |
Why is it inappropriate to have a business open late? I've been known to do my food shopping at 2 or 3 in the morning. No screaming kids, no lines with 10 people and a worn out cashier looking like she/he's about to quit, no crowded aisles. I also frequent all night diners for late night snacks. I hang out with friends 'til all hours. And no, I'm not a "kid," I'm well in my 30's. Does that mean I'm up to no good? Am I a thug? I don't think so, I just keep really strange hours. I wish more places were open late. | ||
| Old and Gray Citizen Username: Pastmyprime Post Number: 358 Registered: 2-2005 |
There isn't anything wrong with late night places, but they belong on highways...not in a small downtown business district of South Orange Village. The majority of residents, and BOT are strongly opposed to these types of businesses. Maplewood has a 24 hour diner, however, it is on a major state highway. I like shopping late too, but I guess I will have to deal with Pathmark's 11pm closing or head out to Rte 10. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 886 Registered: 7-2005 |
Prove to me with facts and figures that the majority of residents are opposed to "those types" of businesses | ||
| SOrising Citizen Username: Sorising Post Number: 367 Registered: 2-2006 |
Bajou, your comments are interesting. If you read this and have time, please explain for any who may not know what the mafia or organized crime activity in SO was as recently as 8 years ago. (Ditto for anyone else who knows.) Knowing this history may help explain why the town seems to be struggling so mightily with ethical questions in governance at present. Legacies can linger for years and can be hard to exorcise unless people look them in the eye. On a brighter note, did Cory Booker get elected in Newark? Thanks. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 5027 Registered: 1-2004 |
Sorising When I was a kid in grade school I know there were at least 4 of my classmates with fathers in jail. I'm not naming names because some of them who have served their time in jail still live here. But the talk was these men were involved in the mob; even from their own children. Some of these kids by the time we were in high school ended up in jail themselves. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 887 Registered: 7-2005 |
You shouldn't name names, regardless of where people live. | ||
| cfb Citizen Username: Cfb Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2006 |
Hoops; This is the answer to the following question: ...Can I take it that you dont get your hair cut there? Maybe you should try it and see for yourself. >>Maybe I have. Jean is a highly skilled barber. | ||
| Lucy Epoque Citizen Username: Lucyepoque Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2006 |
Bajou; I think I missed the post where someone mentioned that “all gang members or big time drug dealers are out-of-towners”. You seem to be in the know, so why don’t you enlighten us? Who in town is pretty big in the drug circle? When was SO a nesting ground for major gang activity…which mob set? Details….details…don’t leave us hanging. BTW…not everybody bad is from Newark, just Michael Mickle and some of his Bloods buddies. | ||
| Scully Citizen Username: Scully Post Number: 460 Registered: 8-2005 |
Old and Gray: If there's a 24 hour diner in Maplewood I'm unaware of it. Where? It's not the Parkwood, they close at 11 PM. | ||
| Old and Gray Citizen Username: Pastmyprime Post Number: 359 Registered: 2-2005 |
Maplewood Diner at Springfield and Chancellor Av, Near the Irvington Border. And Glock, the town leaders have regularly denied businesses that would have been 24 hours or late night. If you want it changed run for BOT or contact the Trustees. I don't think many 24 hour businesses would survive in South Orange, or at least would be struggling. | ||
| bettyd Citizen Username: Badjtdso Post Number: 236 Registered: 12-2005 |
Old and Gray. I agree with your above posts. It should be a no brainer that we don't want or need 24 hour businesses, or late night barber shops, etc. in a residential community like SO. But some want them as noted above which I find incredible. Again, the only known facts so far are a thug murdered another thug in that location, and both were connected with the Bloods. The immediate reaction of most is it could have happened anywhere, no big deal and don't paint the businesses in a negative light because THE CONCLUSION was immediate that they had nothing to do with it. I beg to differ and am open to the possibility that there is some connection and I'm sorry, but when there is an execution in my hometown I am not prone to give the benefit of the doubt to that business. Let's see what the investigation reveals, particularly with respect to this possible "raid." Also, I read into some of the above posts the implication that those who are concerned are somehow motivated by race. Baloney. I'm concerned about keeping SO safe for our entire diverse community, which I love. | ||
| Scully Citizen Username: Scully Post Number: 463 Registered: 8-2005 |
Old and Gray: I did not know. Thanks! | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 482 Registered: 1-2006 |
Glock: The hitman knew where to find the victim. Here, in our town. Coincidence, of course. My question to the BOT is: do we have a gang task force, or do we have a gang officer on the SO police force? jd | ||
| cmontyburns Citizen Username: Cmontyburns Post Number: 1824 Registered: 12-2003  |
Every 100 posts or so in this thread I like to remind folks that: -- The barber shop is not cutting anyone's hair at 1 a.m. The owners seem to occasionally hang out in the store after it's closed, but the lights are off, the door is closed, and there aren't people going in and out. Not sure where this rumor started. I often get food in this area around 8 p.m. or 9 p.m., and the barber shop always seems to be closed by then. That's not to say there aren't lots of people in the area. (It is interesting to note that the one business out of the five that caters to black folks is the one getting all the attention, when 95% of the traffic in this strip is generated by the other 4 businesses.) -- The shooting in question took place at 5 p.m., which is 8 hours prior to 1 a.m., and has absolutely nothing to do with a hypothetical person getting a hypothetical haircut in a hypothetical barber shop at 1 a.m. -- The shooting happened two blocks from the police station, in front of a strip of restaurants frequented by police officers, near a park patrolled several times each hour by the police, and around the corner from a south orange police officer's home. I'm not sure it could have taken place in a better policed part of town, unless the shooting had happened in the actual police station. Sorry to interrupt. Carry on. | ||
| Old and Gray Citizen Username: Pastmyprime Post Number: 360 Registered: 2-2005 |
I think it is inappropriate to post where a police officer lives...lets keep it general that one lives in that part of town. I think the whole strip of stores caters to all types of people, the barber shop is more exclusive for black customers, but I think the whole strip of stores caters to people from Newstead to Vailsburg. I Pretty sure we don't have a gang task force, I think we barely have 3 or 4 cops working at a time? | ||
| Old and Gray Citizen Username: Pastmyprime Post Number: 361 Registered: 2-2005 |
That should have been "I am pretty sure..." I tried to cancel the post after sent it. | ||
| Brett Weir Citizen Username: Brett_weir Post Number: 1546 Registered: 4-2004  |
Try this one on- maybe the level of cooperation has been less than inspiring, and the recent "Visit" was designed to jog a few memories... I don't know what makes you think this area is so well patrolled- picking up dinner hardly qualifies as community policing- but this killing has been identified as gang-related, and gang killings tend to make witnesses somewhat reticent. Business owners surely did not bring this event upon themselves, but failing to tell all they know won't decrease the chances of another- quite the reverse. | ||
| Old and Gray Citizen Username: Pastmyprime Post Number: 363 Registered: 2-2005 |
Good Post Brett, I agree 100% Just cause there maybe 3 cops in Dunkin Donuts...doesn't mean they are looking for crime or to be a visible deterent...They probably have their blinders on like the rest of us do when we are just trying to get a coffee and get back to work. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 889 Registered: 7-2005 |
Why are we assuming those businesses are holding information back? AGAIN, if it had happened in an upscale area of Millburn/Short Hills...would you be questioning those businesses?...probably not | ||
| K_soze Citizen Username: K_soze Post Number: 210 Registered: 11-2005 |
Glock, it's ok to play devil's advocate on certain issues but you don't have a clue what really went down that Saturday, how it's being investigated, who's cooperating and who's not. You're giving too much credit to ordinary people and discrediting the authorities. News flash - there isn't always going to be some underlying racial issue. If you were murdered in front of some ritzy salon in short hills the police would want to find your killer just the same as if you were killed in front of a barber shop in newark....and that's the whole point here, find who commited a murder. Do you think the police would let it slide if that ritzy salon had a handful of people just ten feet away from where a murder took place and all of them had the same story...we didn't see a thing. If that's the case with our barber shop why on earth would the police not follow up on it? Sorry that the majority of the patrons are black, it's rediculous that once people see that they automatically claim it's a racial thing....that's straight up BS. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 890 Registered: 7-2005 |
K_Soze the point is that people are bringing up a number of factors that have nothing to do with the shooting. This is Maplewood/South Orange...we love diversity until "those" people come around. | ||
| combustion Citizen Username: Spontaneous Post Number: 34 Registered: 4-2006 |
I don't think this is an issue of "diversity." This is an issue of a cold blooded murder in broad daylight on a major thoroughfare. I think the police should be questioning anyone they feel they need to in order to keep the rest of us safe. That's what your tax dollars are paying them to do. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 891 Registered: 7-2005 |
I don't have a problem with the police questioning people...I have a problem with residents making hurtful assumptions. | ||
| Brett Weir Citizen Username: Brett_weir Post Number: 1549 Registered: 4-2004 |
Glock 17- Like everyone, I'm just guessing. But even playing Devil's Advocate, a gang-related killing isn't good for anyone's business. Whether it's the man selling pizza or cutting hair, or the family living across the street, nobody should live under the cloud of fear that such an act creates. My firm belief is that authorities are going to use every resource available to solve this one quickly because failing to solve this one makes the next one easier. And let's remember one more thing; the dead man deserves justice for the loss of his life, regardless of his race or his past or anything else. |
