| Author | Message | ||
     joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 511 Registered: 1-2006 |
Lied to again by Calabrese, and the Board. Never a deal, never. Have a nice day shopping at phantom-world. jd | ||
| SO1969 Citizen Username: Bklyn1969 Post Number: 320 Registered: 7-2004 |
No first hand experience, but this sounds far more promising than I've allowed myself to imagine. Of course, the overall development needs to move forward for Eden to move in. As far as needing a place to supplement it for staples, paper towels, etc., the Pathmark on Valley comes in handy. I don't know how long they've had it, but they now have a Self Check Out (like Home Despot). I've made some very speedy runs there. | ||
| Josh Holtz Citizen Username: Jholtz Post Number: 453 Registered: 4-2004 |
That's great that they are bringing in a market operator but when are they going to develop the actual site (deck, building, etc.)? Wait 'til the Coskun brothers get taste of development around here - Adam and Eve will die of old age before that market is up and running. | ||
| Nancy - LibraryLady Supporter Username: Librarylady Post Number: 3486 Registered: 5-2001  |
Rite Aid carries sundries like papertowels, tp,trash bags etc. to supplement. But, I'll believe it when I see it. | ||
| Spitz Supporter Username: Doublea Post Number: 1786 Registered: 3-2003 |
Uh, somebody should tell the Village to change the website. It still says that John Choi was named the operator of the market.  | ||
| jayjay Citizen Username: Jayjayp Post Number: 666 Registered: 6-2005 |
This is the third "done deal" with a supermarket operator. Who remembers when it was a done deal with "Maywood Market?" After the VP made that annoucement, the operator of that market actually told citizens who went to check out their operation that he was coming to South Orange. I am trying to remember how many years ago that was. Mysteriously, that faded away, and then Choi was in the picture. Now its Garden of Eden. When is a done deal really a done deal? Definition: "Done deal" - Usually the termination of a negotiation process wherein all terms are set and everyone is contractually bound, except in South Orange, NJ, where "done deal" is a term loosely applied to any action intended to give the appearance of finality but which actually means "not really done" or "we wish it were done" or "we haven't even had conversations with anyone about a deal." | ||
| jeep Citizen Username: Jeep Post Number: 141 Registered: 8-2005 |
Garden of Eden Market to Replace Old Shop Rite The Garden of Eden, a New York City-area chain of high-end gourmet markets, is expanding to New Jersey and will be opening stores in South Orange and Hoboken. Currently, there are three Garden of Eden stores in Manhattan and one in Brooklyn Heights. The New York Times critic raved in his review that the Union Square location is “an unspoiled vision of produce and prepared foods. Each red pepper is beautiful enough to have been polished before being piled just so. Each chicken, turning slowly on the rotisserie, is browned to a crisp. Aromas entice.” The highly anticipated South Orange store will be located at South Orange Avenue and Vose Ave., renovating and revitalizing the old Shop Rite space as part of the anxiously awaited New Market Project. After an exhaustive search, the grocer chose South Orange as its second location because of the close proximity to the train station, the progressive development plans for the downtown area, and the demonstrated need and desire for a gourmet market within the Village. The Hoboken store, at 226 Washington St., is already under construction. An announcement as to when the South Orange store will open is expected in the upcoming weeks. Previously, John Choi and the New Market Development Corporation had negotiated a deal regarding operation of the 13,500 square foot area. However, the deal was never made official and New Market decided to go with Garden of Eden instead. An official proposal based on the new agreement was submitted to the Village and Board of Trustees on May 24, 2006. More details will come as they become available. | ||
| jeep Citizen Username: Jeep Post Number: 142 Registered: 8-2005 |
And this place makes Kings look like a dump! Who ever got this market did a great job! | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 4124 Registered: 5-2001  |
jeep, This is South Orange. Don't make out a grocery shopping list, just yet.... | ||
| Pippi Supporter Username: Pippi Post Number: 2257 Registered: 8-2003  |
I like Garden of Eden, but find them to be overpriced. They would, however, be a great addition to the Village | ||
| Soparents Citizen Username: Soparents Post Number: 429 Registered: 5-2005 |
I know that Choi is out of the picture, but I remember it being said that "we" had an agreement with him, and it was/is on the village website, then it was said that there was no agreement with Choi, so I'm asking, WHO has Garden of Eden signed an agreement with, what makes them different to Choi, does the agreeement stipulate an opening date, and when will ground be broken to build the premises to house the market? I agree, they sound ideal for the Village, but until there is some concrete information, PROVEN information, I will not be holding my breath (well, maybe a little bit) | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave  Post Number: 9602 Registered: 4-1997  |
It's really not a good spot for Eden. Too many snakes. | ||
| Soparents Citizen Username: Soparents Post Number: 430 Registered: 5-2005 |
Remember, the Garden of Eden had APPLES and snakes..... Not sure if they were Granny Smiths or Washington, or even candy, but there were apples, and if we are a good enough shot, we can throw them at those there snakes.... | ||
| JoRo Citizen Username: Autojoe51 Post Number: 119 Registered: 10-2005 |
garden of eden is the perfect choice for that location. let's hope it sticks. would be very good news. | ||
| Brooklynlady Citizen Username: Brooklynlady Post Number: 6 Registered: 4-2006 |
Any chance we could start a petition to get Fairways to come to So. Orange. They just opened in Red Hook, Brooklyn and the place is phenomenal and prices are extremely reasonable. They have everything from a prepared foods buffet line to a full bakery. I've already emailed them thru their website to try to get an answer whether or not they are planning to come to New Jersey, but I'm sure if others do the same they may start looking for a site. They already have a location in Manhattan and Long Island. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3273 Registered: 5-2004  |
The site is too small for a Fairway. It's too small for most markets that you've heard of. | ||
| FlyingSpaghettiMonst Citizen Username: Noodlyappendage Post Number: 162 Registered: 11-2005  |
If, and it is a big if, Garden of Eden opens in that spot it will be a wonderful addition to town. BTW, Subway was open today and they had free cookies. YUM! | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 4157 Registered: 5-2001 |
I happened to be in NYC today & there was an Eden Gourmet nearby (Union Square) so I went to check it out. The place is amazing - wide selection of fresh produce, fish, meat, cheeses, bread, desserts, salad bar etc. Plus, some basics like cereal, milk, pasta etc. It reminded alot of a much smaller Whole Foods or a bigger Zabars. The quality of the food looked very high, although the prices looked similarly high. Suprisingly, there is a Whole Foods and other gourmet markets very nearby the one I visited, but of course with NYC density I can see how they can all survive. I just wonder if they will do the volume necessary to survive out here in the "burbs". I do hope it actually materializes here someday & does well. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1072 Registered: 7-2005  |
*Doesn't bother to read the thread at all.* I'll take "Who knows?" for $200. | ||
| campbell29 Citizen Username: Campbell29 Post Number: 468 Registered: 4-2002 |
Seriously, why must we be so picky? Shouldn't we just be glad its not a C-town and no longer a giant hole in the ground? After 6 years, we should be happy that any business is willing to invest in that spot. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 4158 Registered: 5-2001 |
picky? I think the vast majority of the posts above have welcomed the news as positive. However, I don't understand why you say it is "no longer a giant hole in the ground". Did construction start today while I was in NYC?  | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1073 Registered: 7-2005 |
I think the point is that it might as well be a "Giant hole in the ground." | ||
| campbell29 Citizen Username: Campbell29 Post Number: 470 Registered: 4-2002 |
Of course, what I really meant was that at some hypothetical,possible, albeit unlikely date in the future, it might no longer be a giant hole in the ground accompanied by a boarded up decaying building. It might be something else. At this point, I would be pretty glad to see something other than a decrepit building and hole in the ground, even if it wasn't a nice gourmet market. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 4162 Registered: 5-2001 |
LOL. We are in agreeement on that. | ||
| Politicalmon Citizen Username: Politicalmon Post Number: 166 Registered: 9-2005  |
Why don't we go to the source and determine whether this is real or memorex? I just called corporate headquaters and was told that the only person who could confirm whether they are actually building a new store in South Orange was the owner who would not be available until 4 this afternoon. Here is the web site and phone number for anyone who feels motivated. http://www.edengourmet.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/ Phone 718-852-7721 | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 4193 Registered: 5-2001 |
PM, Did you ever get a confirmation from Eden Gourmet? Sure, enough the announcement of Eden Goumet was the big headline in the latest Gaslight that just came out today. Suprisingly, there was still no article explaining the taxpayer cost for Tau, though. | ||
| Soparents Citizen Username: Soparents Post Number: 920 Registered: 5-2005  |
I've e-mailed their corporate headquarters and will post if/when I get a response. | ||
| newtoallthis Citizen Username: Newtoallthis Post Number: 267 Registered: 2-2003 |
I also spoke to someone at their headquarters who said the owner is around in the afternoon only. I was given an email adress I was told would be forwarded to the owner. No comment at this point and I'm not expecting one. If this is just a proposal and not a sure thing I'm amazed the BOT would plaster it all over the front of the Gaslight. | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 2821 Registered: 4-2002 |
newtoallthis: At this point it is more than a proposal. Garden of Eden and the developer have a signed agreement. The BOT still has to vote on a resolution to accept the agreement (tonight is the first meeting since the agreement was signed). The BOT has not had any input into the The Gaslight production. It is put together under the supervision of John Gross. When it comes in the mail it is the first time we see it too (and sometimes I am a surprised at the cover story). This has been a sore point with me and I have raised the issue a couple of times. | ||
| newtoallthis Citizen Username: Newtoallthis Post Number: 268 Registered: 2-2003 |
Thanks for the clarification. | ||
| jayjay Citizen Username: Jayjayp Post Number: 687 Registered: 6-2005 |
Per the VP at the BOT meeting...the supermarket operator is not concerned about parking so why should they [the BOT] be. Great approach to planning. | ||
| campbell29 Citizen Username: Campbell29 Post Number: 475 Registered: 4-2002 |
Mr. Rosner - If it is a proposal and not a "done deal" why is it presented in the Gaslight as if this is definitely done? It seems as if there are plenty of operators interested in the location, but none ever seem to materialize. Is this because they can't wait the amount of time between signing an agreement and when actual contruction begins? If i'm a business owner, I can certainly see why I can't commit to some sort of future, anticipated development. My concerns are 1) What can be done to hurry this along, so we don't lose, yet again, another interested party? and 2) After awhile, doesn't the reputation of SO and the difficulties in getting construction underway, eventually sabotage any hope of getting a reputable operator on board? I foresee that after another 5 years of "coming soon" and construction difficulties and this/that/the other reason why construction cant begin, that we are left with either a downscale operator or nothing at all. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 4204 Registered: 5-2001 |
jayjay, We were also told that Construction will begin on June 14 (in 2 days!) and the Supermarket will open before the end of the year.  | ||
| vermontgolfer Supporter Username: Vermontgolfer Post Number: 460 Registered: 12-2002 |
MHD, I was late to the meeting, are you sure it's June 14, 2006 and the end of what year?  | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 14677 Registered: 1-2003  |
It will begin on June 14, or what? | ||
| Howard Levison Citizen Username: Levisonh Post Number: 608 Registered: 1-2004  |
This is great news (timing and quality of the operator)if what was stated about the operator is true. From what can be gleaned from the resolutions passed it seems to be more involved than just the replacement of the operator. The GOE will purchase (take ownership) a portion of the properties (plus/minus Old ShopRite). They also then need to split up the PILOT. Also note that GOE does not require the parking deck as a prerequisite! The question is does this now change the configuration of that portion of the project and does the PILOT still apply to the Condo (Vose) development? | ||
| Spitz Supporter Username: Doublea Post Number: 1797 Registered: 3-2003 |
Howard - It was a little difficult to hear Ed Matthews but the PILOT still applies to the Vose condo development. As the owner and operator of the market, GOE will pay a PILOT of $80,000, which was the split of the total PILOT payment before. I'm not quite sure about the lofts above the market - I assume the same deal applies as before and the Village gets paid $1million as the units are sold. It sounds as if the only hurdle might be what the extent of the contamination is. Title won't be transferred to Sterling until it obtains financing, and it can't obtain financing until it excavates to determine the extent of the contamination. | ||
| jayjay Citizen Username: Jayjayp Post Number: 689 Registered: 6-2005 |
I didn't understand that discussion on GOE taking over the building. Matthews' mike was not connected when he talked about it, and it was hard to hear from home. What are the particulars of GOE taking over the building? Do we know? Was it sold to them? By whom? For how much? Will they get a PILOT? What obligates them to continue to operate a market? Where does Sterling fit in? Etc. | ||
| Howard Levison Citizen Username: Levisonh Post Number: 609 Registered: 1-2004 |
Thanks Spitz. I was not clear if Sterling was still going to be the developer for GOE. Note the Resolutions: "...Transfer of the Supermarket Building to GOE" and "...Amendment to the Financial Agreement Between New Market ... and the Township ..." | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 4212 Registered: 5-2001 |
Maybe now, the Village will enforce the existing ordinance for illegal banners: in the Village Code (§ Chapter 92-Section 162) it says that Temporary banner signs: [1] Cannot exceed 25 square feet in area. [2] A building shall have no more than one banner at any given time. [3] May be erected or posted for a period not to exceed 30 days. Can someone explain why the HUGE banner has been up for more than 30 days? Code Enforcement was notified and has done NOTHING about it. |
