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     Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 575 Registered: 2-2006 |
Dear Peter: You came to my house yesterday at around 8PM and spoke to my son. You handed him a copy of the town ordinance about dogs and had an intimidating conversation with him. You said that there have been complaints about a white dog named Sarge running offleash and compaints about dog poop. Ok here is the deal: 1. I scoop and my children are supposed to scoop. Should my children not scoop then please let ME know because they will be in trouble with me! 2. My dog Sarge does not run around offleash! He walks with us offleash for the sole purpose that he is 13 years old. He is in his last year of life. He has a growth in his throat which is probably cancer and when you put him on the leash the pressure on the color makes him cough really bad. He is an extremely trained dog who will not walk away from us at any time. My dog has never threatened anybody nor bothers people. He does not bark or growl but just mossies on along with us. Kids in the neighborhood have offered to volunteer to walk my dogs cause they are well behaved and sweet animals. You said there were complaints about this. I went to town hall today and to the South Orange Police. I was told from both that there are no complaints. My son thinks you mentioned Maplewood online. Well I checked the treads here and couldn't find any complaints either. I am up for a conversation with you anytime! You can contact me via MOL or put a letter with your contact info in my mailbox. Or you can call me at 973-508-8221. BUT should you ever show up at my house again and either of my children answer the door you WILL ask for me! Should I not be home then put your number on a piece of paper and I will gladly call you back to listen to whatever you have to say. YOU WILL HOWEVER NEVER HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MY CHILDREN WITHOUT MY PERMISSION AGAIN. I TRULY HOPE YOU HEAR ME ON THIS BECAUSE IF YOU INTIMIDATE EITHER OF MY CHILDREN AGAIN THEN YOU WILL DEAL WITH ME ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL MY FRIEND. | ||
| Matt Foley Citizen Username: Mattfoley Post Number: 677 Registered: 6-2004  |
Kick his ••• seabass! | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 23302 Registered: 6-2001  |
I agree! | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 5339 Registered: 1-2004  |
Bajou- I bet you it was the jerk who made the comment about you letting the dogs run unleashed in the res. I think it was in the thread you started about the lost dog. You mentioned in another thread where you live. If it turns out to be him I would sign a complaint againt him for stalking you. Chances are he sure doesn't live in our neighborhood. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1111 Registered: 7-2005  |
Leash laws are there for a reason. Obey them. | ||
| Scully Citizen Username: Scully Post Number: 603 Registered: 8-2005 |
And the 'reason' isn't to choke well trained elderly dogs with throat cancer! Good grief Glock, show some mercy (and common sense)! Plus it looks like this is more of a stalker (mentioned above) than an offended neighbor. To a neighbor you talk it over with the homeowner first, not shove copies of the law at kids! | ||
| Soparents Citizen Username: Soparents Post Number: 936 Registered: 5-2005  |
Bajou, You checked with the town and the police. There are no complaints. AS JTA says, file a complaint. Sooner or later you will know EXACTLY who he is..... This is intimidation, and I would be beyond angry if anyone did that to my children. I don't care (and don't know) if your children are in their teens etc, and I am sure they don't look old enough to own house, and no-one should address them/reprimand them as if they are the homeowner. There are words for someone like this, and some of the ones used here are at the milder end of the scale. Should someone genuinely have a complaint there are processes and procedures to be followed. I know you are doing the best you can for your doggie, and I hope that he is as happy and comfortable as he can be. SOP | ||
| Brett Citizen Username: Bmalibashksa Post Number: 2444 Registered: 7-2003 |
It wasn’t me. Although I think that Bajou is %100 wrong for not following a law designed to keep animals and people safe, I wouldn’t have gone to the house. FWIW there are harnesses like we use for Parker that doesn’t touch the dog’s neck at all. His head and neck are the same size so collars just pop off his head. “He walks with us off leash for the sole purpose that he is 13 years old” I can’t wait until I’m old enough to not have to follow any of the laws set out to protect people. I won’t wear a seat belt (I’m a well trained driver), no helmet (I’m a well trained bike rider), I’ll drink in public (well trained partier), Heck I’ll be old enough to tell people that these laws don’t apply to me. “Good grief Glock, show some mercy (and common sense)!” Like leashing your dog. And I’ll say again, I disagree whole heartedly with Bajou, but have no desire to go to the house, talk to the children, or otherwise go out of my way, especially at 8pm on a Saturday. Last night I was bowling for the first time in 10 years, bowled 3 strikes in the 10th frame  ;, much more entertaining that bothering Bajou. If you would like to get some confirmation that it wasn’t me, describe the person that met with your son to Leslie (Bunny) she knows me and my fiancé as “The love birds” and will confirm that it wasn’t me. While you’re there, have the clam and garlic pizza, it’s to die for. | ||
| Brett Weir Citizen Username: Brett_weir Post Number: 1634 Registered: 4-2004  |
Bajou- That's your dog? I used to run over Vose a few years ago and I stopped more than once to admire Sarge- pure white, malamute-type? He's a wonderful dog and I'm so sorry to hear that he's sick. My recollection is that he is super obedient, very sociable and a true "gentleman". You're absolutely right to be enraged with this person- children are off-limits. I'm pretty open to neighborly exchanges, but deal with me, not my kids. | ||
| Flying_char Citizen Username: Flying_char Post Number: 112 Registered: 8-2005 |
Somebody tried to talk to my kids in NYC in a store telling them they were bad kids and I pulled out my blade telling her to meet me outside. I don't play when it comes to my kids. Bajou, do what you got to do man... - and of course if your dog is trained, don't make him suffer. Just be careful when you walk him around other people, as some of us are kindda scared of dogs we don't know :-/ | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 575 Registered: 1-2006 |
You may not play, but, you may pay for such dangerous conduct. jd | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1112 Registered: 7-2005 |
LEt's think scully...hmm you want mercy and common sense? If the collar is choking the dog with suspected throat cancer....you buy a Body harness for it or a looser collar...oh boy. how difficult | ||
| MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 3959 Registered: 12-2004  |
Halti or Gentle Leader go over the nose and around the back of the head, and the leash hooks on under the chin. It is way more humane than any kind of choke collar, for any dog, and particularly for a dog that has a mass in it's neck, and works better at controlling them than any kind of choke. I agree with Bajou. Anyone ever spoke to my kids that way, I'd have something to say about it. Not a nice thing to do. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 5342 Registered: 1-2004 |
Brett Glad t wasn't you! I had forgotten who it was and had looked for the tread before I posted my note thinking it was one of the rubble roosers. (And you are not one of them). Good suggestion about a harness. Congrats on the three strikes! | ||
| MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 3960 Registered: 12-2004 |
Rubble roosers? or Rabble Rousers? | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave  Post Number: 9847 Registered: 4-1997  |
They were roosers. I saw them once. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 5344 Registered: 1-2004 |
Me- Thanks! Sounds good! 'Rabble Rousers.' Nobody was home for me to ask and I am the world's worse speller! | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 1658 Registered: 7-2004  |
Bajou, I am amazed that some people have no sympathy for an old dog with cancer. Yes, leash laws are there for a reason, but I don't think this was the reason. If this guy shows back up you can send me a quick PL and I'll run over there and show that guy a better use for your leash. | ||
| catmanjac Citizen Username: Catmanjac Post Number: 271 Registered: 2-2004  |
Time for your kids to get out the heavy artillery!  | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1113 Registered: 7-2005 |
Mayor. I have plenty of sympathy for the dog. I just don't want it off a leash. | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 1660 Registered: 7-2004 |
Glock, it is obvious you don't have sympathy for anyone or anything. I won't worry about you though, because everything comes full circle. One day you will find no sympathy and you will understand. Hopefully it will be sooner rather than later for you. The best of luck to you in what I will call your "learning" years. | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 585 Registered: 2-2006 |
Oh my gosh...have I been banned...I try to reply to threads and it never posts!!! | ||
| Grspring Citizen Username: Grspring Post Number: 97 Registered: 6-2004 |
Let each person chose the laws they want to obey and toss the rest. | ||
| MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 3961 Registered: 12-2004 |
JTA, don't worry, I knew what you meant, and I kind of like your version better. Dave, you don't say much, but sometimes you really are quite a funny guy. And, BTW, I wouldn't know a rooser if I fell over one. | ||
| Brett Citizen Username: Bmalibashksa Post Number: 2448 Registered: 7-2003 |
An old and unfortunately sick dog becomes an unpredictable animal, all the more reason for a leash. He is more of a danger to himself and others now then he ever was, please consider a harness or something else to make sure the old guy doesn’t hurt himself or others. God forbid a child is bit because he isn’t feeling well | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1117 Registered: 7-2005 |
Exactly. Obey the leash law. | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 586 Registered: 2-2006 |
Thanks for letting me vent on the forum. I just was really mad at the guy for intimidating my kid. I will put Sarge on the leash now. He will be able to walk the 2 blocks he can manage without people getting upset. Sarge is a 95 lbs white shep and akita and at 13 he is ancient. Snails pass us on a regular basis. My other two dogs are always on a leash because they do not listen if they see a squirrel. They are fairly young small breed dogs. My son just confessed that he forgets to bring poopy bags with him when he walks them so I am assuming that's what the issue is. He has gotten a talking to and has some extra chores to do this week. I cannot use the gentle lead as any kind of mouth restriction makes it impossible for him to walk. Unfortunately he hates the harness which I tried a while ago. Sarge knows and obeys sit, lay down, slow down, stop, street )which means stop and sit), turn around and cross. He was so easy to train even though he was five when I got him from Newark and he didn't know anything. He just picks things up really easily. He has never done anything bad..I wish I could say that about my two little dogs LOL. He has been my kids and my bud through thick and thin and I just wanted to make his last few months as comfortable as possible. However my grip was about intimidating my kid and that is not cool...period. Thanks for your sympathetic posts. Mayor....you are my kind of guy LOL JTA..thanks for being my friend. SoParent...can't wait to find out who you are!!! LOL Brett Weir....stop and say hi next time you jog by. Brett...I never thought it was you Glock ...love ya too.. and all of you other MOL's you humored me and let me vent. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1118 Registered: 7-2005 |
Best of luck to you and your pets. I just lost my cat in the fall. (i picked him out when I was three years old...right after we moved here.) He was more obidient than either of our dogs are and he was my best bud. | ||
| Monster© Supporter Username: Monster Post Number: 3554 Registered: 7-2002  |
I'm with Mayor, PM me and we can tag team the jackass, however I understand about the whole harness issue too. | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 23307 Registered: 6-2001 |
I met a 17-year-old Burmese Mountain dog who has a friend that takes him out to Bunny's for hamburgers. I highly doubt that a 13-year-old dog poses a threat to anyone who understands that you never approach a strange dog agressively and always let them see you clearly and understand that you are not going to hurt them. Dogs get scared just like people do and sometimes lash out. It doesn't sound like Sarge is that type of dog and I think people should just STFU. If you can't, just call Monster or the Mayor for advice. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1120 Registered: 7-2005 |
It's not so much of a question of people approaching the dog as much as it is a question of the dog approaching people. It doesn't matter what kind of dog he is, the law is there and it should be obeyed. | ||
| Brett Citizen Username: Bmalibashksa Post Number: 2449 Registered: 7-2003 |
“I highly doubt that a 13-year-old dog poses a threat to anyone who understands that you never approach a strange dog agressively and always let them see you clearly and understand that you are not going to hurt them” yea, screw anyone who doesn’t know that. Three year old kids are apparently disposable. | ||
| Scully Citizen Username: Scully Post Number: 610 Registered: 8-2005 |
Glock: Sorry about your cat! Sounds like it had a good long life. I had a cat like that too. Got it as a toddler and it saw me off to college. | ||
| Jersey_Boy Citizen Username: Jersey_boy Post Number: 1045 Registered: 1-2006  |
Bajou and all, I think there is a rift between dog people and non-dog people. These are different from Cat People, of which MOL has plenty. Dog people will say and believe things like Bets said, "anyone who understands that you never approach a strange dog... blah, blah, blah." There are some people who are really afraid of dogs. You can't have a rational conversation with them about dogs. I own a dachshund. That's a "weiner dog." THE MOST un-scary breed there is by both behavior and appearance. My wife was sitting in our car with the dog, and someone was walking by the car's open window to get into his car. He said, "can you please close the window or hold your dog so I can get by." Mrs. J.B. says, "She's not going to do anything, she's a weiner and she's just looking out the window." Guy says, "well you never know." He was afraid that a weiner dog would jump out of our car and attack him before he could get safely into his car. I told her she should have said, "She won't bite you. Unless I tell her to." The point is, the leashes are for these people. Do them an honest. They'll never believe that your 13 year old sweetie isn't going to have tumor on the brain and turn into Kujo. J.B. | ||
| Lucy Supporter Username: Lucy Post Number: 4085 Registered: 5-2005  |
J.B.  | ||
| K_soze Citizen Username: K_soze Post Number: 347 Registered: 11-2005  |
Imagine the headline... "Man gets atacked by crazy weiner"  | ||
| K_soze Citizen Username: K_soze Post Number: 348 Registered: 11-2005 |
................."And it happened OUTSIDE of the Reserveation!!" | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 5348 Registered: 1-2004 |
Oh Bajou- I am so sad to hear you really think this is Sarge's last few months with you and the kids. He is such a great dog! When the kids see your kids walking any of the dogs, they always ask if they can pet them. Sarge just sits there sucking up the attention. Is there any way you could paper train him so you don't have to worry about a leash. I know you don't have much of a yard, but can you walk him around the yard for exercise? If you need more space you are always welcome to bring him over here and let him loose in our yard. You have a lot of people who care about you here. If you have any more problems with that guy you know all of us would come to your defense. Did you son recognize him at all? I tried to do a search on the names with no luck. If I'm home when the mailman comes tomorrow I'll tell him we do not want to know the address, but are interested if any of the names sound familiar; at least you'll know if they are from the neighborhood. I have a suggestion. Not too sure what others might think, but maybe you can make up some kind of flier explaining the situation with Sarge. Don't mention the 'visit' from the man. Let people know you are aware of the leash law, *but* you would hope they would understand the situation. Also apologize, or make the son apologize, about sometimes forgetting to scoop. Leave the fliers along the route you usually walk. I'm not sure if this would open up another whole can of worms though. Granted dogs should be leashed, but sometimes circumstance should be taken into consideration and exceptions made. I'm sure if Bajou were to see people walking toward her when she had Sarge with her, she would take ahold of him until the people passed. Sending you some well derserved hugs!   My nephews tell me I'm 'too strict.' Then again so do the children of my friends because I've stopped them dead in their tracks when they approach a dog being walked down our street. I tell them even after they've told someone they have a nice looking dog and they ask if it's friendly they still need to ASK if it is okay to touch the dog. I also tell them they should pet the dog one at a time (unless the person with the dog says otherwise) and they are not to startle the dog. That before touching the dog they should show it their hand and let the dog sniff their hand. Three year old children might not know better, but it is still possible for a dog on a leash to bite someone. | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 592 Registered: 2-2006 |
Dear Brett: Take a chill pill. As I have stated before.... I step off the sidewalk or into someones driveway when people need to pass. My dog does not approach people nor is he interested in other dogs. Nobody says anything about three year old kids being disposable...I don't know where you are coming from My dog has been used to work with an autistic child who had horrendous fear of all kinds of animals and would loose it over a squirrel. I make it a rule that when children want to pet my dogs that I teach them to do it the right way. But no worries... Sarge will be on the leash Dear JTA: thanks for offering your assistance. Actually I do have a very large yard but my dog will not go to the bathroom there LOL. I will just walk the dogs seperately so Sarge can be on the leash at his time and pace. Hey Jersey Boy ... Guy 1: Does your dog bite? Guy 2: NO.... Guy 1 reaches to pet the Weiner dog ..(chomp) dog bits Guy 1 Guy 1: I thought you said your dog doesn't bite? Guy 2: This is not my dog. Dachshunds are my favorite breed. I am from Austria and my family used to breed wirehaired Doxy. They are actually quite good hunting dogs as Dachshund means badgerdogs.. Do you live near Mountain Station cause I keep seeing a real cute and very young doxy.. What do you have..wire,smooth or longhaired??  and one year later  | ||
| KRNL Citizen Username: Krnl Post Number: 76 Registered: 9-2005 |
Don't know if this would be useful , but when our Samoyed got older we used to just slip a VERY loose, soft leather collar over her head when we took her for a walk. It looked like she was on a leash and she was happy because she had been trained to walk with the leash. Sometimes she would stop and we kept walking. Of course, the leash slipped off with no effort. She would patiently wait for us to come back and slip the collar back on. |
