| Author | Message | ||
     Lizziecat Citizen Username: Lizziecat Post Number: 1303 Registered: 5-2003 |
Jennings and Calabrese should both be recalled. Their actions were unworthy of public officials. | ||
| Lizziecat Citizen Username: Lizziecat Post Number: 1304 Registered: 5-2003 |
Entertainer; When I asked for a defnition ot the term "new demographic" it wasn't because I didn't know what it implied. I knew exactly what it implied. I wanted Ms. Jennings to spell out exactly what she meant, but, since she doesn't deign to poost on this board, that didn't happen. I still maintain that racism is a two way street; it is possible for any ethic group to be racist or to make racist remarks about any other, and I say that Jennings demographic remark was racist. And I think that granting contracts to do work in this town on the basis or race is racist. And I think that Jennings and Calabrese are a disgrace to this town and to the BOT and should be removed. And I think that people who don't live in South Orange should stay out of South Orange politics. That's how I feel. I'm entitled to my feelings. Deal with it. Oh, and thanks for correcting my spelling. | ||
| SOrising Citizen Username: Sorising Post Number: 448 Registered: 2-2006 |
Phenixrising, so your continued slander of John Pogany is why? Because you think Pizzas=John Pogany? Why do you think that? What does it even mean? For you to attribute to Mr. Pogany what you are attributing to him, you would have had to: (1) heard him say it; (2) seen him write it and post it on MOL. Have you either heard or otherwise witnessed him issuing the speech you attribute to him? I don't see how. Explain it. As far as the rest of your poor excuse for your behavior, (i.e., "He definitely did NOT deny he wrote those quotes. Several times (not just that particular thread) Pogany has put his foot-in-his mouth and has made offensive remarks on this site."), it falls into the category of assuming someone is guilty of an offense because you don't like something you think he may have done previously but also don't know if he did. Accuse him of something and unless he proves to your petulant self that he is innocent, he must be guilty. It isn't just that your reasoning is absurb. Your lack of good will and enmity are a corrosive influence on this board and the community it represents. Why are you like this? You act more like Phenixtrashed, Phenixhumiliated or Phenixgolemmed than the moniker you claim. | ||
| entertainer Citizen Username: Entertainer Post Number: 318 Registered: 11-2001 |
Lizziecat, Let us remember that it was Jennings who first brought race into the South Orange mix by asserting that there was a "new demographic" (whatever that actually means... That's YOUR statement, not mine. Sounds like one who doesn't know the meaning of demographic to me... I'm a proud resident of this town. Jennings and Calabrese and the rest of the board are no disgraces to me. Sorry you feel that way. Pleasantville doesn't actually exist, but you're welcome to try to find it if you like... I don't deal with anyone's personal feelings. I just deal with their actions. | ||
| Lizziecat Citizen Username: Lizziecat Post Number: 1305 Registered: 5-2003 |
It was pretty pleasant here before Calabrese and Jennings and their gang of ineffectual slanderers were in office. | ||
| kenney Citizen Username: Kenney Post Number: 790 Registered: 11-2003 |
If Calabrese was smart, he would resign immediately. I have no doubt his slander is going to cost him big time, so the sooner he pulls in the reigns the better for him. Jennings, as i have stated in the past, is a complete idiot. Those of you who elected this person should be ashamed. | ||
| entertainer Citizen Username: Entertainer Post Number: 320 Registered: 11-2001 |
Lizziecat, So it's been that bad since Calabrese has been in office...? And how long has that been specifically? And you've been a disgruntled resident that long...? kenney, I'm learning a lot of about some of my fellow residents. Not exactly the kinder and gentler type. I'll be careful not to paint the majority of the S.O. residents with that same brush. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 4336 Registered: 5-2001  |
Entertainer - you have a very appropriate screen name because you just gave me the biggest laugh I had all day. P.S. I hope the eye surgery to restore your sight is successful.  | ||
| entertainer Citizen Username: Entertainer Post Number: 326 Registered: 11-2001 |
MHD, Must be the Bunny's Liquor kicking in right about now... Leave the car there and please walk home. | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 23429 Registered: 6-2001  |
Entertainer: According to our village president's comments, MHD should have no problem driving home from Bunny's (and he was lying, which is also called SLANDER when it is targeted against a specific entity). And BTW, I see MHD and his lovely family at Bunny's enjoying an excellent meal together in a great atmosphere. He does not frequent the bar scene. If you want to go after someone, choose me. Thanks. | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 23430 Registered: 6-2001 |
slan·der Audio pronunciation of "slander" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (slndr) n. 1. Law. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation. 2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone. And, since you seem to have an interest in word origin: [Middle English slaundre, from Old French esclandre, alteration of escandle, from Latin scandalum, cause of offense, stumbling block. See scandal.] | ||
| Lizziecat Citizen Username: Lizziecat Post Number: 1306 Registered: 5-2003 |
I've been a resident since 1969. We've had our ups and downs in that time, but this is the lowest that I remember. I have neighbors in their eighties, who have lived in this town since they were children. They can't remember a time when town government was as awful as it is now. Yeah, it's that bad. Calabrese started out with some good ideas. It's true that South Orange was a sleepy little suburban town, maybe slightly run down when he came on as VP. At first, it looked as if he was really working on sprucing things up. But he has lost sight of what he originally was doing, and has installed himself as a little dictator with his cronies as his acolytes. The needs and desires of the taxpaying residents--who foot the bills--are ignored. This latest display of slander followed by infantile giggling was just unbelievably grotesque. | ||
| campbell29 Citizen Username: Campbell29 Post Number: 506 Registered: 4-2002 |
Bunny's is a successful business because Bunny is a kind and generous person who makes everyone feel at home and welcome in her establishment. Furthermore, Bunny's is one of the businesses that we never hear complaints about like underage drinking, brawls or anything that would be detrimental. Most likely, this is because Leslie herself is there everynight supervising and being hands on. Obviously, Stacey Jennings is reading the message board because she feels the need to let her personal biases which she got from reading MOL to influence her vote. However, if she is going to cast public votes based on what she reads here, she should at least have the courage to respond here. Unfortunately, she cant divorce her umbrage from what John said as a private citizen on a message board under an anonymous user name, from what her public views are. This is inappropriate on many levels, not the least of which that firstly, the identities of MOL posters is not public, secondly, what the owners (or relatives of) of an establishment think of a member of the board of trustess should be irrelevant to public business, and finally, Bunny herself has never put herself on MOL or made any sort of comment detrimental to Stacey or any BOT member. To hold Leslie responsible for something her husband might have said, posting anonymously on a private message board is absurd (god knows I wouldn't want my business to hinge upon the comments my husband makes here) As for Calabrese, he's not just being stupid, he's being malicious | ||
| entertainer Citizen Username: Entertainer Post Number: 330 Registered: 11-2001 |
betsy, MHD's comment about eye surgery was SO random and corney that I assumed that he must have been a little tipsy. Calm down. Oh, and ...choose you for what...? Lizziecat, My sentiments of this fine town won't change as a result your comments. Yes, town government can do better. Now get some rest and don't go to bed angry. | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 23439 Registered: 6-2001 |
Lizziecat, Though you and I have had our spats, we are in total agreement here (and have been in the past on the subject of the BOT). I've been here since 1966*, and I have to agree with your assessment. I once said I was sad because I was watching my town die, and good citizen Susan1014 said I was wrong; sadly, I think I'm right. The Township of South Orange Village will be the name, the place will be monstrously different. They've just gone too far; buying the Valley Street properties was pretty much a clear indication that they are planning to try to develop it, much like the Shop Rite site, aka Village Market/Garden of Eden. I am surprised that South Orange's trusted officials and their invisible financing for their Real Estate empire hasn't drawn some interest from oversight agencies. The Board of Trustees, led by VP Bill Calabrese, has really damaged this town. I hate to say "I told you so" to people wondering how downtown could have come to this, but at some point, you have to let the disbelief settle in. Realization. I think it can still be saved, but the '07 elections are less than 12 months away. * Born 1966 in Orange Memorial Hospital Save South Orange! | ||
| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 3392 Registered: 9-2003 |
SOrising - are you kidding me? John = Pizzaz. He came out when he was running for BOT. I'm sure he regrets the statements he made regarding the shooting on S.Orange Ave. He's a nice guy but occasionally his brain does not process or weigh his words. I believe he appologized later in the thread, but the damage was done. You can't in any way defend what he wrote or claim it wasn't him who wrote it. entertainer - I've lived here since 1970, there are a couple of reasons why I don't move, but if they disappeared I would. South Orange is in sad, sad shape. The fact that the person who got the highest amount of votes in the last election only received around 2000 says a lot about the apathetic residents. Sadly, we get what we deserve. Line C looked somewhat promising until they aligned themselves with Calabrese and later took a swipe that SHU's students. Calabrese is a disgrace, all one has to do is attend a couple of borad meetings (or watch the videos) to see his blatent disrespect for the people who go before the board. IMO Jennings misused her power to make a personal statement against the husband of a business owner. Calabrese's public comments against that same business are indefensable and he should step down. I'm with BETS - SAVE SOUTH ORANGE! | ||
| SOrising Citizen Username: Sorising Post Number: 450 Registered: 2-2006 |
SoOrLady, I do not defend offensive and inconsiderate remarks. People err if they confuse virtual reality with life. Unless you know who wrote the offensive remarks, you cannot attribute them to Mr. Pogany. If he came out about a pseudonym, that does not mean he has sole and exclusive use of it. | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 12001 Registered: 5-2001 |
I never heard Mr. P claim he didn't write what appeared here on MOL. It was dumb and offensive. However, Ms. Jenning's "revenge" is just as dumb and offensive. At least Mr. Pogany had the decency to appologized for his stupidity. I haven't heard Ms. Jennings or Mr. Calabrese appologize and I doubt that they ever will. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 4337 Registered: 5-2001 |
Entertainer - You mean you are not legally blind? I couldn't possibly think of another explanation for you saying Calabrese wasn't a disgrace and that things aren't that bad. In that case, I hope your other medical situation is resolved soon, so you are no longer bedridden and can leave your house again to see what has transpired over the past 5 years.  I may just post some pictures later so you can see them online. Now, back to the thread at hand. Calabrese will never apologize for destroying this town, but he must apologize for what he said about Bunny's. | ||
| Lizziecat Citizen Username: Lizziecat Post Number: 1307 Registered: 5-2003 |
Bets; We certainly are in agreement on this one. Entertainer; So now that you figure I'm old, you decide to patronize me? Get some rest yourself. | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 23446 Registered: 6-2001 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45e92zemoEM I see it's up to 453 hits thus far. | ||
| entertainer Citizen Username: Entertainer Post Number: 333 Registered: 11-2001 |
MHD, I wake up to the sounds of birds chirping. I look out my window and enjoy the green grass and tall shaded trees. I get up and go to work while enjoying the neighborhood, children walking to school, etc. After a long day's work I return to my lovely family and home. Maybe take a nice walk/jog to/from Grove Park. A nice summer evening walk through town, maybe. Then Family time. Life is good! Aside from local taxes and an occasional high water bill, I'm in heaven. But no place is perfect. I'm sorry I can't agree with your stories of misery and despair, corruption, destruction of S.O., and general dismal state of affairs. Call me blind or ill if you like. But like James Brown would say, "I FEEL GOOD!" Lizziecat, I have no idea, nor do I care how old you are. Ergo, I wasn't patronizing you. It was getting late and I was signing off and was always taught not to go to bed angry. I just wanted to share that with you. I slept very well. Thank you. Happy Saturday South Orange !!! | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave  Post Number: 10025 Registered: 4-1997  |
You can enjoy the good things about South Orange while still holding the BoT accountable for their mismanagement of redevelopment, you know. It's not an either/or proposition. Go England! | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1332 Registered: 7-2005  |
Campbell, if they don't want it to harm their business, they should come out and say that it wasn't their statement, | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 4338 Registered: 5-2001 |
Thanks for the "entertainment". Did you know there is green grass, trees, parks and even birds in ALL communities across America? However, I don't think you will see any of the following scenes in most communities: Crack House?  Mount Beifus?  Calabrese/Sayid's property  Behind the fence of Calabrese/Sayid  Still feel good??? | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1333 Registered: 7-2005 |
Didn't you have to trespass to get those pictures? | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 4340 Registered: 5-2001 |
Not at all. The pictures were all taken from OUTSIDE the existing fences. | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 15232 Registered: 10-2001  |
Mount Beifus.  | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 10027 Registered: 4-1997 |
MHD rules! | ||
| red_alert Citizen Username: Red_alert Post Number: 285 Registered: 3-2005 |
Great pictures! Is this Newark or South Orange?  | ||
| Steve Hickson Citizen Username: Shickson Post Number: 44 Registered: 4-2006  |
MHD, Awesome pics! And "entertainer" may want to lay off the bong---ru kidding me with the Pleasantville crap---we just want a town that's comparable to our neighbors like Maplewood, Millburn or Livingston and based on the quaterly tax bill I just got we deserve it. What planet is entertainer living on? Memo to entertainer: I'm pissed, so is MHD, so is bets and so are a lot of folks in South Orange---we're not going away. Sorry. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1337 Registered: 7-2005 |
red_alert. Not funny. The situation in Newark is just as grave as the one in South Orange | ||
| red_alert Citizen Username: Red_alert Post Number: 289 Registered: 3-2005 |
I wasn't trying to be funny but rather making the point of the sad similarities. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3462 Registered: 5-2004  |
"SoOrLady, I do not defend offensive and inconsiderate remarks. People err if they confuse virtual reality with life. Unless you know who wrote the offensive remarks, you cannot attribute them to Mr. Pogany. If he came out about a pseudonym, that does not mean he has sole and exclusive use of it." SOrising, it is common knowledge that Pizzaz is John Pogany. And unless he has provided his username and password to someone else, he does have "sole and exclusive use of it." There's a difference between a username and "screen name". A username is the account holder. I could change my name to SOrising, but my username would still show as Rastro. For as long as I've been on MOL, people accept that a comment made by an outed (or obvious) pseudonym is a comment made by that person. Or are you suggesting that someone has hacked his account so as to make those statements? As I've been reflecting on this, I feel that if a trustee votes against renewing a liquor license (or any kind of license renewal like this), some reason should be given. That way the perception of impropriety is dispelled. Open government isn't just about doing the right thing. It's about doing what is necessary to remove doubt of corruption. | ||
| JoRo Citizen Username: Autojoe51 Post Number: 124 Registered: 10-2005 |
There's also the Gulf Station, the large excavation on Vose, the fire station, and long-collapsing Old Stone House, leaking library and dilapidated Village Hall and Baird Center. All within the central business district. No town is perfect, but we have a very long way to go. Citizens need to demand better care. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1342 Registered: 7-2005 |
No one has even mentioned the empty lot on irvington avenue that has been vacant (to the best of my knowledge) since before we moved here around 16 years ago. I think they just recently did some sort of construction. (Across from the Delta Station, by the carwash) | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 1724 Registered: 7-2004  |
Wait, so those pictures aren't of Newark? Camden? | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 23454 Registered: 6-2001 |
MHD - it's so funnny that you posted the Mount Beifus shots. I was by there Friday evening and thought to myself that they're growing better grass back there than some of my friends who are actively trying! Maybe they could sell the sod from that site to fund a walkway on Vose Avenue? | ||
| Howard Levison Citizen Username: Levisonh Post Number: 626 Registered: 1-2004  |
The following is an e:mail I recently sent to the BOT. I would request anyone having similar feelings to send an e:mail as well. ___________________________ Subj: Resolution Request Date: 7/2/06 6:22:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: Levisonh To: markrosner@earthlink.net, arthur@mec.cuny.edu, AJOSROSEN@aol.com, ericdevaris@mac.com, Nishesq@optonline.net, sjennings@southorange.org CC: msmith@southorange.org, newsrecordnj@yahoo.com To: Board of Trustees: I purpose that a resolution to censure the Village President for his various remakes (see video link below) made during a vote at the June 26th 2006 ABC session on renewal of Bunny's liquor license be placed on the next Board of Trustee meeting agenda. This was an inappropriate on the record comment that can be taken as either a dereliction of duty on his part as chair of the ABC Board if what he stated in his remark were fact he should not have allowed passage of the license or if only hearsay then it is an abuse of his office and unbefitting conduct. I think this is a serious issue and appropriate notices should follow to the County Board of Ethics and the State ABC Board. I look forward to your attention to this matter. Howard Levison 343 Harding Drive South Orange, NJ From official Video of meeting reference bot0662006: www.howard-levison.com/bot06262006VP_Comment.wmv _____________________________ | ||
| Sheena Collum SHU Citizen Username: Sheena_collum Post Number: 740 Registered: 4-2005  |
Howard - I think that should have also been sent to the Village President himself and I see that you cced the News Record... you should cc the Ledger as well. |
