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     Pizzaz Citizen Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 1564 Registered: 11-2001  |
Fellow alum, and I never knew.  BTW: Where did you learn to speak Cantonese, at the Hall? | ||
| Brett Weir Citizen Username: Brett_weir Post Number: 567 Registered: 4-2004 |
BMO- Welcome back. While I appreciate your thoughtful and complete responses, I find the University's stance completely disingenuous- an ambulance is too expensive? Complete and utter crap. They simply don't want to spend money or assume their rightful responsibilities when they can get the South Orange Rescue Squad to do both for free. My longtime friends from S.O.R.S. assure me that their responses to S.H.U. for intoxicated students, minor sports injuries, flu symptoms and other student maladies are quite frequent and do stretch the Squad too thin at times. You're right, intoxicated persons must be transported to a hospital if they are unconscious or otherwise unable to function on their own- but "inebriated" minors who are hungover don't need an ambulance. And the mild sprains, flu bugs and other "first time away from home" medical non-emergencies should not be dumped on S.O.R.S. Yet that's what happens because it takes Student Healthy Services and S.H.U. off the hook and it's free. In short, Seton Hall freeloads, plain and simple. As far as 24 hour restaurants to "keep the party going" without hanging at a student's house, that's just exchanging one bad situation for another, and again, provides benefits for the students without any for the residents. South Orange is not "The Village that Never Sleeps" and does not aspire to be. If South Orange seems less-than-accomodating in this regard, try renting in Belmar, Manasquan, New Brunswick, Madison, Hoboken or a host of other magnet towns for the college crowd. Most other towns take a harder line than is taken here. | ||
| e roberts Citizen Username: Wnwd00 Post Number: 326 Registered: 3-2004 |
BMO, in new jersey the the law says that if someone appears to be "incapacitated" they require and emergency medical serivces evaluation. that has been interpreted by the state supreme court several times and typical is explain like this: if a police offcer has a reasonable belief that a person is likely to cause harm to themself or another they are incapitated. there have been many cases on the issues and almost all of the cause law sides with the deciesion of the police on the scene to make the determination. SHU feels that any person who is in any way intoxicated needs a medical evaulation and then they do the classic "you do not have to to go to the hospital but you cannot stay in the dorms tonight without seeking medical treatment" basically forcing students to go. also lets not forget about health services using the ambulance as a taxi service for abdominal pains, cold/flu and other very not serious issues. a squad of SHU EMT's would only be valuable if they could be used instead of an ambulance. if you are going to call for an ambulance the last thing most emergency responders want is extra people with some type of useless authority (ie a SHU EMT squad) on their scene. so unless this squad of EMT's can cancel an ambulacne or be used instead of one SHU should not even bother. Taylor, "break" is a term used to descibe a situation where a unit leaves or breaks from one scene in order to do to another. i was not making any comment on the way the SOFD treats their equipment since i have no knowledge about it. | ||
| D. Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 5440 Registered: 4-1998  |
Actually learned to speak Mandarin in China. | ||
| Pizzaz Citizen Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 1565 Registered: 11-2001 |
My Irish-Italian brother-in-law speaks fluently Mandarin and Japanese. I hope one day you should meet. If you don't mind, what degree did you get? | ||
| D. Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 5442 Registered: 4-1998 |
AB in English/Philosophy from SHU MA in Lit from Drew Univ. Today, I practice law, specializing in defending free speech and anonymity online.  ps. when is happy hour tomorrow? | ||
| Pizzaz Citizen Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 1568 Registered: 11-2001 |
Same time as always. See ya. | ||
| Taylor M Citizen Username: Anotherusername Post Number: 341 Registered: 8-2004 |
LL Stupid me! Now that you point that out I feel stupid. Think I need more sleep! | ||
| Old and Gray Citizen Username: Pastmyprime Post Number: 18 Registered: 2-2005 |
Brett hit on a great point: All those towns don't tolerate crap regarding noisy neighbors regardless if your a tax payer or a college student, and they maintain order like a monestary. It usually takes two or three calls to the police to get people to quiet down. Moving students downtown for late hours is not a solution, but a worse idea...Why not stay on campus...I have heard my young student neighbors say that they live off campus because the school is too strict...well, maybe if the town officials took a harder stance on underage drinking, enforcing the laws we have(I seem to remember being notified when I signed my lease, not that I needed it but, a notice saying I could be evicted if I serve minors alcohol, I wonder if that has ever been used?). BMO...I don't want to see more kids down town at late hours because they will have to get somewhere when they are done being downtown and now they would be the village's residents and police forces problem...and thats what causes the biggest issues of noise, students coming and going yelling, urinating in bushes, and knocking over leaf bags, and those are the ones smart enough to walk..I can't say we have a big drunk driving problem, but I recall seeing car loads of students pulled over all the time at that time of the night, with the driver doing drunk tests. Can't the school come up with a shuttle to the bars on party nights, or maybe how about students staying on campus? South Orange is a college town...but it never felt like a party school town until the past 15 years or so...the campus and students used to be so quiet and friendly...now they are obnoxious, rude, and a pain in my •••. | ||
| Taylor M Citizen Username: Anotherusername Post Number: 342 Registered: 8-2004 |
Thanks for explaining what you meant by 'break' e. Ithought you meant they broke the equipment as in destroyed. Sorry. Like I said, I really should get more sleep. Hey can I sue Dave and Jamie for my lack of sleep and making stupid mistkaes because I'm posting on MOL late at night?  | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 7790 Registered: 5-2001 |
We Ks were at a barbacue a few years ago and their were a number of Seton Hall professors and staff there. They were bemoaning the fact that Seton Hall had made a list (Princeton Review?) of the top party schools. | ||
| BMO Citizen Username: Bmo Post Number: 17 Registered: 2-2005 |
Brett and O&G... I hear what you're saying and I understand totally. What if there were some kind of sober fun for people to have in town? Students love going to the bowling alley and to the Applebee's at the mall but not having a car often prevents them from doing so. I'm not suggesting we turn the downtown into a party area, but rather bring in some businesses where people could have some good clean fun - and have something to do besides buy a wig, get one's vacuum repaired, or get one's nails done. Bob K. - that is true that Seton Hall made #18 on the Princeton Review Party Schools list. When that happened it was a shock not only to faculty but to students as well. Unfortunately the PR did a poor job of surveying for that review - they sent an online link to a VERY small number of students. This year's survey was advertised much better and we will see how the results turn out. (We did however make #9 on the Great College Radio Stations list, and while the music they play on 89.5 is a little too hard rock for me - Beatles fan here - the students who work at the station do an excellent job) | ||
| mjc Citizen Username: Mjc Post Number: 310 Registered: 10-2004 |
Could SHU, inexpensively and responsibly, have a van to transport students who are sick or injured but not critically so to the doctor or hospital? Maybe the driver could be an EMT? It worked for my kid's sports summer camp, for fractures, injuries in need of stitches, upset stomachs, etc. Nurse looks at it, then the van takes you to doctor or hospital. Can there be the kind of commonsense decision most of us would make, whether to go to the doctor in the morning, drive to the emergency room right away, or call an ambulance? Or is "using the ambulance for a taxi" something that doesn't really happen if you look carefully at the cases? (It was a skateboard and bike camp, so the van made several trips daily.  ) | ||
| Howard Levison Citizen Username: Levisonh Post Number: 180 Registered: 1-2004 |
I have proposed that SHU create its own EMT unit composed of certified students (some of which currently are Rescue Squad volunteers). They could be equipped with radios/pagers to respond to emergencies on campus. The problem is transportation and SHU administration approval but I assume these could be worked out. | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 1754 Registered: 4-2002 |
Howard: SHU would need to get some administrative staff or professors to volunteer, not just students. Otherwise they will have problems on holidays, weekends, summers, during finals, etc and will need to do a lot of recruiting to maintain staffing. It is expensive to get someone certified so SHU would have to be willing to put up some money. | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 7800 Registered: 5-2001 |
Just to stir the pot, something I love to do, here are the Princeton Review comments on life at SHU. They show up a lot for a relatively small university. Rank List Category #12 Their Students (Almost) Never Study #11 Long Lines And Red Tape #10 Students Dissatisfied With Financial Aid #13 Alternative Lifestyles Not An Alternative #9 Great College Radio Station #18 Party Schools #14 Is It Food? #4 Least Happy Students #20 Town-Gown Relations Are Strained | ||
| singlemalt Supporter Username: Singlemalt Post Number: 841 Registered: 12-2001  |
Great Bob! Nothing like having 5000+ unhappy college kids in town who never study, listen to crappy rock radio, stand in long lines, can't pay for classes, can't admit they're gay, and who eat crappy food before going out to keep the party ranking in place! Oh, and thay can't get along with any of us residents. I sure hope the Princeton Review is wrong. http://www.princetonreview.com/college/research/profiles/rankings.asp?listing=10 23986<ID=1&intbucketid= | ||
| singlemalt Supporter Username: Singlemalt Post Number: 842 Registered: 12-2001 |
More from the site: What Seton Hall Students Say About... Campus Life "A lot of parties go on at Seton Hall" even though the university "has worked really hard to prevent students from doing the typical party scene." Notes one student, "At the beginning of last year, Seton Hall started putting pressure on the South Orange Police. The parties are at Greek houses, which are off campus, and now most parties get broken up by the cops." The university crackdown is the result of frequent complaints from the school's neighbors; notes one student bluntly, "The town of South Orange hates college students." As a result, students either hit the frat parties or "travel away from campus, and usually away from South Orange if they plan to do most things." The net result is that many students feel that "Seton Hall University has absolutely no social life for a student who cares naught for alcohol." A good portion of the student body goes home after classes; as one student put it, "On the weekends the place is so deserted." Many who stick around "just take the train to New York City, which isn't that expensive or hard to get to. It's only a 20-minute ride, so it's what most of us do for fun here. We head for a bar or club in the city." About the only time the campus truly comes together is to watch the Pirates shoot hoops. | ||
| Howard Levison Citizen Username: Levisonh Post Number: 181 Registered: 1-2004 |
Mark, I agree but it is my understanding that some of the RA's are certified which in part cover the off times. | ||
| mjc Citizen Username: Mjc Post Number: 312 Registered: 10-2004 |
Howard? Mark? Am I understanding that SHU has no nurse or other medical staff, infirmary or the like? |
