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     mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 1757 Registered: 4-2002 |
mjc: They do have nurses as per their web page: http://studentaffairs.shu.edu/health/healthstaffing.html However in case of an emergeny they are advised to call 911 (which goes to the S. Orange Police). http://studentaffairs.shu.edu/health/emergency%20assistance.htm). I do not see that they have an infirmary on campus. BMO - can you fill us in? | ||
| cmontyburns Citizen Username: Cmontyburns Post Number: 729 Registered: 12-2003  |
Part of the problem here is that we are operating under a number of assumptions: That Seton Hall students use South Orange ambulances as "taxis," that they call the police when they don't need the police, that they dial 911 for issues that aren't emergencies. The only people offering any anecdotal evidence about this are people who don't seem to like Seton Hall whatsoever. I still don't know how often this happens, if it's really the epidemic it is purported to be, or if it is really creating unsafe conditions in South Orange. Mrosner: Have the fire and police chiefs made this an issue in your conversations with them? More broadly: I have lived in many college towns, and have never lived in one where the town embraced the college. The students were always too loud, too drunk, too irresponsible. I live in Montrose, regularly patronize the bar(s) in South Orange and Maplewood, and I can tell you that I wouldn't even know we had a university in town were it not for the signs. And the griping, of course. Perhaps I've just been lucky to avoid this scourge. | ||
| Walker Citizen Username: Fester Post Number: 74 Registered: 4-2003  |
How about Seton Hall donating some of the excess Pianos and Keyboards that they are currently trying to sell via mass mailings to the local schools. | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 1758 Registered: 4-2002 |
cmonty: We have discussed the situation with both the police director and the fire chief. Both departments gave us what the number of calls were to SHU vs the rest of the village (I don't remember but for some reason I know we kept talking about it being around 10% of the total calls). The real issue is money. We are a small town and SHU is a large part of it but they do not have to pay any taxes. I blame the state for allowing this unfunded mandate. The ones who have complained the most/loudest are those who have had to live next to the so called "greek houses". The problems seem to reach a peak a few years ago and most of the complaints were about the noise, litter and students parking there cars in front of driveways. The public safety committee (chaired by Trustee Rosen) set up a series of meetings with the residents, SHU (administration and students). SHU has been fairly responsive and the students that came clearly were concerned and have done what they could do to help. The next largest number of complaints have to do with students parking during the day. Clearly SHU has a shortage of spaces and the residential streets were not designed to handle their overflow. We have met with them to discuss some alternatives, but in the end, SHU is going to have to come up with alternatives for handling parking as well as public safety issues. Since they are here, we will continue to have meetings and discussion with SHU to make sure we co-exist peacefully (well as much as possible). | ||
| e roberts Citizen Username: Wnwd00 Post Number: 327 Registered: 3-2004 |
mark, have you spoken with the captian of the rescue squad in regards to seton hall? i am interested in his point of view as well. | ||
| BMO Citizen Username: Bmo Post Number: 18 Registered: 2-2005 |
Thank you for the positive responses Mr. Rosner. To answer your earlier question - yes we do have a Health Services Center which is located just outside the main gate at the corner of Centre St. and South Orange Ave. If we were going to start any sort of EMS squad on campus I'd imagine they'd be the likely supervisors/advisors. The one issue is that they aren't open 24/7 - their hours are M-F 8:30am-5:00pm and 10am-1pm on Saturday. http://studentaffairs.shu.edu/health/health%20services%20informatioon.htm Trustee Rosner also brings up a good point - you would think that if universities were going to be tax exempt that the state would step in and subsidize the gap in municipal funding that would result. | ||
| BMO Citizen Username: Bmo Post Number: 19 Registered: 2-2005 |
I pose a question to anyone and everyone out there: if a student were to run for Board of Trustees - would you immediately discount him or her because that person is not a taxpayer in the town - even if such a candidate had a decent knowledge and understanding of the Village's workings and issues? | ||
| Taylor M Citizen Username: Anotherusername Post Number: 345 Registered: 8-2004 |
BMO Be glad the station changed it's format from heavy mental.  I'm curious, please don't take this the wrong way, but are you speaking as a SHU student as part of a student group, or you you have the authority to speak for SHU as a spokesperson. | ||
| Taylor M Citizen Username: Anotherusername Post Number: 346 Registered: 8-2004 |
Mark- One of the things that's been done to help SHU with the parking problem is to make it PERMIT PARKING only for SHU students on South Orange Ave by the school, Sinks when a taxpaying South Orange residen has to go to a doctor in the building across the street from SHU. Do they have to pay for these permits? | ||
| D. Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 5464 Registered: 4-1998  |
BMO, Without this message board, how would you accomplish what you're doing? | ||
| Taylor M Citizen Username: Anotherusername Post Number: 347 Registered: 8-2004 |
I would NEVER vote for a SHU student for the BOT unless they LIVED in the town YEAR ROUND! Even then I might not. I especially wouldn't vote for a student that lived in the dorms. However, I think it's a good idea to create an additional position on the BOT for an elected SHU liason with limited voting power. Sorry... | ||
| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 1824 Registered: 9-2003 |
BMO - I would not automatically discount a student based solely on his/her tax-paying status, but I think Taylor's point about living in town year round is well taken. They would also have to pledge to serve their term in full and not take off after graduation. I am not in favor of Taylor's liason with limited voting power idea. | ||
| susan1014 Supporter Username: Susan1014 Post Number: 413 Registered: 3-2002 |
I would subject a student to the same initial screen that I have for all candidates: - Does he/she have a reasonably good understanding of South Orange issues and politics (generally informed in part by having lived here more than a couple of years) - Does he/she seem to have a long-term commitment to the community? Can I plausibly believe he/she is likely to be living here in 5 years? (hard to argue for most undergrads) - Does he/she have an economic interest in the town, generally both as a taxpayer and as a user of services? - Is he/she running as a balanced candidate, rather than driven by one issue or a specific personal interest? (I'm concerned about candidates who may be motivated by protection of a local business, resume-building, etc.) Then we get to the issues and whether I think that a candidate has the best interests of South Orange and its citizens at heart... Honestly, a SHU student would only be likely to get my vote if he or she were connected to the village in ways much deeper than temporary academic residency. I won't say never, but I'd be asking some tough questions. | ||
| Pizzaz Citizen Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 1577 Registered: 11-2001  |
My definition of motivation is an expression of good will. I hope you understand that, Susan. | ||
| susan1014 Supporter Username: Susan1014 Post Number: 414 Registered: 3-2002 |
I hope that I was clear...I don't rule out anyone with a personal business interest, but I do listen with special care to their full range of positions. I am very open to the business owner or student motivated by good will and the broad interests of the town. I'm very eager to avoid one-issue politicians of all stripes. (Good will is only one of the possible motivations out there...glad to hear it is yours!) Hope the clarification helps. | ||
| Pizzaz Citizen Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 1578 Registered: 11-2001 |
Thanks, it does. | ||
| Matt Foley Citizen Username: Mattfoley Post Number: 103 Registered: 6-2004 |
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| Taylor M Citizen Username: Anotherusername Post Number: 348 Registered: 8-2004 |
When I was a college student living on campus in another town, I don't remember any of us (those who weren't actual residents of that town) voting in that town'a local elections. Why do SHU students vote in ours? The mere fact a student lives on the campus of their college shouldn't give the the right to vote in that communities election. We don't let commuter students vote, why should dorm students? | ||
| sac Supporter Username: Sac Post Number: 1871 Registered: 5-2001 |
I recall this becoming a big issue when I was a student in the 1970s and 18-21 year olds had only recently gotten the vote. I'm not sure that every state resolved it the same way. The campus of the college that I attended in Houston, Texas (Rice University) was its own precinct and all (campus) resident students who wanted to register to vote, regardless of their home state residency, were able to do so and vote in that precinct. It made for very interesting voting returns compared to the surrounding precincts. (2000 or so college students plus a few resident faculty and staff in the middle of conservative Houston. I think we were one of the few in the region that went for Jimmy Carter in 1976.) For SHU, I would assume that this comes under New Jersey law as opposed to being something that South Orange could legislate, but I can't cite chapter and verse. | ||
| BMO Citizen Username: Bmo Post Number: 20 Registered: 2-2005 |
Taylor - first to answer your question - I am just an individual SHU student and I only speak on behalf of myself. The information I post here is just to enlighten everyone as to what is going on at SHU and to answer any questions I can. Secondly SHU students are eligible to vote in South Orange because they live in the Village 9 months out of the year - the decisions made by local officials have an impact on them. SAC - from what I understand there was a Supreme Court ruling in the 70's (quite possibly involving your alma mater) where it was decided that resident college students have the right to claim residency on their campuses because they spend a majority of their time there (paraphrasing here of course). |
