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     Grspring Citizen Username: Grspring Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2004 |
As soon as the weather is nice Seton Hall students will start walking along College Place. Beginning at midnight and continuing till four in the morning. They speak at the top of their voices and have a total disregard for the neighborhood. I have asked them to be quite from my window and from the front door only to be ignored or have a comment made that I will not repeat. In the morning we have to pick up the wrappers and cans they discard on our lawns after they have returned to their gated community. | ||
| Taylor M Citizen Username: Anotherusername Post Number: 374 Registered: 8-2004 |
argon If someone has a LEGAL residence here in South Orange then if they have a driver's license it should show a South Orange address? No? Does anyone really think a SHU student from a small Midwest town is going to change their license and registration to a South Orange address? | ||
| Taylor M Citizen Username: Anotherusername Post Number: 375 Registered: 8-2004 |
argon- The dependent point has to do with the fact IF a parent claims you as a dependent your legal residence has to the same as the parent's. Therefore you can't also claim South Orange as your legal residence. If a student wants to run for an office, how can they use the dorms as their legal residence? Last I knew the dorms closed during most vacations and the summer. IF a student had a year round resident, meaning lived off campus, had a NJ driver's license and if they owned a car it was registered in South Orange, I'd feel differently. Wouldn't matter to me if they rented and thus didn't directly pay taxes to the town. My point about South Orange residents who work in the City not being allowed to vote in NY elections is they pay taxes to NY and even they don't get to vote. | ||
| Brett Citizen Username: Bmalibashksa Post Number: 1507 Registered: 7-2003 |
Grspring, same thing happens to me but thet're little kids and couples enjoying the weather. I really wish there was something to do about it. | ||
| Taylor M Citizen Username: Anotherusername Post Number: 376 Registered: 8-2004 |
doubla Well IF a SHU stuent does choose to run, I hope they live OFF campus AND are not claimed on moy and daddy's taxes... I would also expect the show some sort of real commitment to South ORange. If they have a driver's license I hope it's a South Orange one. They own a vechile, register it in South Orange. On their income tax form, I hope it has South Orange as the legal address. | ||
| Taylor M Citizen Username: Anotherusername Post Number: 377 Registered: 8-2004 |
mjc- If your comment about 'bait' was directed toward me, it wasn't bait. But the mere fact he didn't answer the questions answers them anyway. These are questions any on campus SHU student WILL have to answer. It's not about paying taxes. It's about what one claims as their legal residence. You can't claim two places. If you want claim South Orange as where you vote and you want to run for a South Orange BOT position, walk the walk. PAY the same car insurance the rest of us do, if you have a car. | ||
| Taylor M Citizen Username: Anotherusername Post Number: 378 Registered: 8-2004 |
BTW doubla-Rock The Vote was not started by Rutger's. It was started by MTV about 10 years ago. So the info about Rutgers registeing all those students is misleading... http://www.harlemlive.org/community/activist/rockthevote/ | ||
| cmontyburns Citizen Username: Cmontyburns Post Number: 735 Registered: 12-2003  |
No, Taylor, it's about you trying to keep Seton Hall students from voting in South Orange because, well, I still have no idea why. What the hell does it matter if someone is claimed on someone's taxes? Is your motivation here that you don't want them voting twice (here and where their parents live), or that you don't want them voting in South Orange at all? By the way, I have a New York driver's license. And yet I voted in the last election. Was it a miscarriage of justice? I started out just playing devil's advocate on this, but now it's getting ridiculous. We don't want them to use our ambulance, we don't want them to call our 911, we don't want them using our voting machines -- or voting at all, for that matter. In terms of who is doing more to have a positive impact on our community, I'd take BMO over some of the posters here any day. | ||
| cmontyburns Citizen Username: Cmontyburns Post Number: 736 Registered: 12-2003 |
And another thing: Seton Hall doesn't pay its fair share. But neither did the colleges any of us graduated from. (No, some one-time grant to a fire department doesn't begin to cover it.) No college pays its fair share. If they had to, there would be no colleges, or at least none that anyone could afford to attend. Universities enjoy tremendous tax advantages, both locally and federally, and to say Seton Hall can buy real estate cheaper than you or I can is the understatement of the year. We as a society do this not because we are trying to create lawless institutions that suck money out of honest working guys like me and Taylor, but because we as a society place a premium on education -- and want to do whatever possible to make getting an education easier. If in the process we get a local business that employs a couple thousand people, icing on the cake. Yes, some Seton Hall students do stupid, irresponsible things. But again, TEN THOUSAND students attend Seton Hall. Nearly all of them are responsible people trying to get an education (and spending a ridiculous amount of disposable income in our town in the process, beancounters). If your view is that Seton Hall students, as a group, are drunken freeloaders who do nothing but cause trouble for the good people of this town, I dare say your bias is getting in the way of BMO's efforts to engage in a constructive dialogue. Seton Hall is not responsible for me paying $17,000 a year in taxes. Believe me, I wish they were, because they're an easy target -- made all the easier by one of their students coming on here and opening himself/herself up to our gripes about everything we're frustrated by in South Orange. | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 1017 Registered: 6-2001  |
I think TaylorM's worried 'cause Campus Sub changed hands, pissing off a significant number of residents in and around her voting district. Edited to add: Seriously!! | ||
| susan1014 Supporter Username: Susan1014 Post Number: 433 Registered: 3-2002 |
Taylor M, To get to the controls that you wanted (if they were constitutional), we would have to have a much more complex voter registration process, which included things like proof of insurance, and checking of parental tax records for all young voters. I'm guessing that the impact of an overall higher level of paperwork would be to lessen voting among the young and the poor (sounds like a Republican platform to me). | ||
| Stuart0628 Citizen Username: Stuart0628 Post Number: 10 Registered: 2-2003 |
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxxiv.html Amendment XXIV Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax. Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. While the amendment does not specifically address municipal elections, I'd be surprised if any restrictions suggested earlier in this thread would be constitutional. | ||
| Taylor M Citizen Username: Anotherusername Post Number: 381 Registered: 8-2004 |
I don't care they don't pay taxes. Again county you miss the point. That's ok. When election time comes around the questions will have to be answered. Not by me, but by the News Record. And an FYI BMO does NOT have permission to be answering questions on behalf of SHU... And bet's, sorry I live nowhere near the campus sub shop nor do I buy subs from there. Nice try though. | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 1022 Registered: 6-2001 |
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| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 1845 Registered: 9-2003 |
Taylor - in a sense, BMO DOES have permission to respond to SHU issues. In the beginning of this thread he indicated that he is part of a group of students who are sanctioned by the University to work on town & gown relations. | ||
| mjc Citizen Username: Mjc Post Number: 336 Registered: 10-2004 |
Taylor, it seemed to me that the extended discussion of voting rights, which neither SHU nor SO has any say about, was beside the point of the thread. If the word bait was offensive, I apologize. cheers - MC | ||
| Taylor M Citizen Username: Anotherusername Post Number: 385 Registered: 8-2004 |
SoORLady- I wouldn't be so sure of that. The post on Friday, March 4, 2005 - 8:31 am says BMO speaks for themself. According to SHU anyone can post on a message board and say they have the authority to speak on behalf of SHU. But they really don't. Why doesn't BMO use their real name if they are part of a group 'sanctioned' by SHU? If I remember correctly the first post said this group created itself. Maybe I and some others who have spoken with me but are afraid to post, would take BMO more seriously if they used their real name instead of hiding behind a screen name. | ||
| Taylor M Citizen Username: Anotherusername Post Number: 386 Registered: 8-2004 |
mjc I think the thread went onto the voting issue because BMO asked how people would react if a SHU student ran for BOT. I'm sure if a SHU student ran others would ask the same questions. Truce? And wow! $17,000 a year in taxes? We thought $14,000 was bad!  | ||
| Old and Gray Citizen Username: Pastmyprime Post Number: 28 Registered: 2-2005 |
What does it matter if a candidate is an SHU student...I think it would be a case by case basis...Would an on campus candidate be considered serious..NO. But maybe an off campus graduate student who is a member of the community. I think BMO fails to see the differences here. Just because some is associated with SHU doesn't mean were against them...its more or less the new to college or the party crowd that fails to respect the town and its residents, and that is the issue residents are against. I don't care what people do behind their closed doors, just keep it behind closed doors, and don't let it impede on others lives. | ||
| e roberts Citizen Username: Wnwd00 Post Number: 329 Registered: 3-2004 |
cmonty, explain to me why you have a new york license? are you a new york resident or a new jersey resident? have you been a resident in new jersey for more then 30 days? do you have new jersey plates on your vehicle? do you have new jersey auto insurance? because i am sure you know that if you use new jersey are you primary residence (ie the residential address that the IRS uses and you live at more then half of the year) then you are required under new jersey state law to get a jersey DL and jersey license plates within a specific time frame which i believe in 30 days. if you are going to critize others for not being residents and voting maybe you should consider you own situation first or at least explain it to us. |
