| Author | Message | ||
     mary032 Citizen Username: Mary032 Post Number: 159 Registered: 8-2001 |
Allan Rosen, you say: "The best way to handle committee assignments, in my opinion, is for the entire Board to sit down and indicate what their preferences are, stir it all together, and come out with some kind of collective solution. This is time-consumming, and might make for a bit of a mud-wrestling contest, but at least it would guarantee that everyone would be heard. Not everyone can be satisfied, but it would be a better way to proceed. Ideally this meeting should take place before the reorganization meeting. And I feel it should take place publically." My questions to you Trustee Rosen are: 1) If that is your opinion, then how come you didn't do anything to make the meeting happen that way? 2) How come you didn't express your opinion to Bill Calabrese when he called you and told you what his recommendations for committee assignments are? 3) How come you accepted to follow Calabrese's instruction if they were against your belief? 4) What kind of hold does Calabrese have on you to use you as his mouthpiece with "no questions asked." 5) When trustees Rosner and DeVaris protested, how come you didn't express your opinion on how the meeting should be conducted? 6) Why don't you suggest, in the next BoT meeting, that the committee assignments be revisited and appointments be made based on experience, capabilities, qualifications and seniority of the trustees, and not based on Calabrese's political aspirations? WOULD YOU HAVE THE GUTS TO DO THAT TRUSTEE ROSEN? | ||
| User58 Citizen Username: User58 Post Number: 182 Registered: 8-2004 |
Mr. Rosen you never should have responded! It keeps getting better and better! I think you should answer all of mary023 questions. O boy here we go! It might be easier if you just step down. | ||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 3233 Registered: 5-2001  |
Oooooh, 3 FONTS! She's really pissed, Allan. I guess she's heard the rumor that Bill's next on the short list behind John Bolton. Here are two more questions for ya: (A) Could you take Bill Calabrese in a fight? and (2) If Bill Calabrese jumped off the Empire State Building, would you??? -s. BTW: Voted for you before, and would again. | ||
| Sheena Collum SHU Citizen Username: Sheena_collum Post Number: 101 Registered: 4-2005  |
Allan, Don't bother to answer questions that are meant to attack you because IMO you're above that. Until all of the trustees start to post on MOL and take criticism like you, Mark, and Eric do, I appreciate you responding to this thread. So my request ---obviously a lot of individuals are upset to say the least about what happened last night--- can you not reconsider this topic at the next meeting? I suggest that you have an informal meeting with the rest of the trustees to discuss where everyone's strengths are and where they belong. Jot some notes down and revisit this topic at the next BOT meeting and report back to the citizens what the new/same recommendations are. I think this is the best way for damage control. I think what happened was a mistake and now, instead of trying to just keeping moving forward, everyone needs to stop and reevaluate and that's all I'm asking... Allan, we all know you try your hardest on the BOT and you have a longstanding committment to the citizens in S.O. We really depend on you to be a very loud voice when things such as this occur. I know I have faith in you. Please think it over. Sheena | ||
| User58 Citizen Username: User58 Post Number: 183 Registered: 8-2004 |
Too simple! This is government at work big or small it is government! And what took place last night was unbelievable! For Mr. Rosen to today send his voice out with the above comments is outrageous! Where were his comments last night when Mr. Rosner and Mr. Devaris were blind sided by a back door decision? And then he tries to shift the blame on the village president! | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 1953 Registered: 4-2002 |
Sheena: All Trustee Rosen had to say was let's review the assignments, see if the current trustees preferred to continue chairing the same committees, have a discussion and then work it out. However Trustee Rosen decided to orchestrate the assignments and remained silent other than to read his next suggestion. As User 58 points out, to now try and blame this on the VP is just adding insult to injury. Allan, this was what you wanted just as much as Bill C and the least you could do is own up to it rather than trying to make people think you are just the poor schmuck who got stuck doing Bill's dirty work. I keep thinking of the song when the kid in Les Mis sings "Liar" when Jalvert tries to sell a story.... | ||
| vermontgolfer Supporter Username: Vermontgolfer Post Number: 315 Registered: 12-2002 |
Sorry I missed the meeting, sounds like it was a doozy (sp?). | ||
| Sheena Collum SHU Citizen Username: Sheena_collum Post Number: 103 Registered: 4-2005 |
Just an FYI to anyone interested... I have my 100th post on this thread  Oh how the little things in life amuse me... Mark - only u could equate les mis to local S.O. politics and honestly, who says "schmuck" anymore? lol But I'm still waiting to see what Allan will do. I put money on the fact that he KNOWS what happened was wrong and he will do his best to make it right because he KNOWS people are counting on him... | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 1496 Registered: 6-2001  |
Sheena, I hate to say this, and it's based on my old lady perspective, but: Ahhhh, to be young again. Oh, the places you'll go! And to think that you saw it on Mulberry Street! You're on the carousel of time. The stratospheric importance of carefully and candidly designed pro-village infrastructure integrity exposes each citizen to a comfortable, approachable, caring and candid Board of Trustees whose voice will express that which you may need to say. Sorry, but my bullshti detection rate is pretty good and I know it when I'm served it. Please, do the research I suggested. I love sloppy floppy puppies too but that's not what I would consider credentials for virtually every move this village makes. Yeah, he's a nice guy. When I say this about Bill, it's based on 30+ years of acquaintance. What's my point? Well, I guess it's that you draw your own conclusions based on the experiences you've had. And I reiterate my plea to review the archives of the relevant SOS threads and try to change my mind about John O. Gross. I am a fair and impartial person, and I think you'd agree with that. So, rock my socks re: O. Gross. Bets | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 1085 Registered: 5-2004  |
Sheena, in other posts, you've commented on the cynicism that many posters here have toward our town government. Now you're seeing why that is. These are not isolated incidents, occurring in a vacuum. They show a pattern of abuse (or at least laziness) on the part of some of our elected officials. As I said in another thread, I really wish trustees would remember that they are elected to represent US. The petty games that go on really should be beneath all our representatives. Unfortunately, they're not. | ||
| Sheena Collum SHU Citizen Username: Sheena_collum Post Number: 104 Registered: 4-2005 |
Rastro, I, myself, am very cynical at times as well but perhaps we all need to measure out our level of cynicism with praise every once in a while. "Oh to be young again" seems to be a friendly backlash that I have received thus far and rightfully so, because I do undoubtedly have faith that things will work out. You claim our officials play games and that's one perspective. Come to the BoT meetings and voice your concern (if you haven't already since I'm not sure who you are, lol). We really have to get past the whole pro-establishment/anti-establishment mentality which I fear has really overshadowed any positive work. This community seems to stick to their "clicks" instead of looking at each item objectively. IMO, there's some people, regardless of what the BOT does, will always have something new to complain about. If A is bad and A gets fixed then -- move on to complain about item B. There are positive things that the previous BOT did that definitely got overlooked. Do people on MOL go out of their way to recognize any of the good? If so, great. If not, a pat on the back wouldn't hurt. Then move forward. I use to believe "if you don't vote, you don't have a right to complain" now I'm at the point where voting alone doesn't cut it. I hope everyone who has problems with the ways the committees were handled shows up at the next BOT meeting. It's easy to say officials are suppose to represent their constituents but also remember, the citizens themselves all have different perspectives as well. It's a double edged sword and the most we can do is meet people half way and atleast start some dialogue. On a final note, the election is over and done with. Some people are happy, some people are not, and some are still indifferent and have no idea there was an election. Before we rally for an '07 election, maybe we should address the current problems with the current board and attempt to work together. Final Thoughts: Regardless of who the Village Pres is, who the BOT is comprised of, who our village administrator is or who our village attorney is, WE as a COMMUNTIY - must/need to want to see them succeed before anything else... why try to set people up for failure? Okay... bed time... | ||
| Larry David Citizen Username: Larry_david Post Number: 25 Registered: 4-2005 |
Sorry I wasn't around yesterday to post. So in ohterwords Allan, you're nothing more than Bill's puppet? | ||
| mary032 Citizen Username: Mary032 Post Number: 160 Registered: 8-2001 |
Trustee Rosen, I respect you for your seniority on the BoT and for all your past contributions to the Village. However your latest behavior is not commendable. First you come after the damage is done and say oops! that's not the way we should have done the committee assignments, and then you take no responsibility for a part of the meeting that you ran, and try to blame it all on Calabrese. In case you missed it: Username: Mary032 Post Number: 159 Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 1:14 pm: Allan Rosen, you say: "The best way to handle committee assignments, in my opinion, is for the entire Board to sit down and indicate what their preferences are, stir it all together, and come out with some kind of collective solution. This is time-consumming, and might make for a bit of a mud-wrestling contest, but at least it would guarantee that everyone would be heard. Not everyone can be satisfied, but it would be a better way to proceed. Ideally this meeting should take place before the reorganization meeting. And I feel it should take place publically." My questions to you Trustee Rosen are: 1) If that is your opinion, then how come you didn't do anything to make the meeting happen that way? 2) How come you didn't express your opinion to Bill Calabrese when he called you and told you what his recommendations for committee assignments are? 3) How come you accepted to follow Calabrese's instruction if they were against your belief? 4) What kind of hold does Calabrese have on you to use you as his mouthpiece with "no questions asked." 5) When trustees Rosner and DeVaris protested, how come you didn't express your opinion on how the meeting should be conducted? 6) Why don't you suggest, in the next BoT meeting, that the committee assignments be revisited and appointments be made based on experience, capabilities, qualifications and seniority of the trustees, and not based on Calabrese's political aspirations? WOULD YOU HAVE THE GUTS TO DO THAT TRUSTEE ROSEN? Would you kindly respond, Trustee Rosen? | ||
| User58 Citizen Username: User58 Post Number: 189 Registered: 8-2004 |
It Seems that Sheena is easily fooled. | ||
| Sheena Collum SHU Citizen Username: Sheena_collum Post Number: 105 Registered: 4-2005 |
Easily fooled? That I have confidence that if you hold people to higher expectations they will live up to them? That I would rather see people take a proactive approach and be apart of a solution rather than simply venting all the time? That I think it's a good idea to commend people for good work rather than always looking for something to attack? Sure... if that constitutes being easily fooled than let the foolishness begin... User58 - what is your reccomendation on moving forward? What do you propose be done in order to meet what you see as goals? Other than "So and So for BOT '07", how do you address disparities now? Just some thoughts to ponder IMO. | ||
| User58 Citizen Username: User58 Post Number: 190 Registered: 8-2004 |
What is my recomendation? Mr.Rosen should resign. Now that is a start in the right direction. | ||
| Sheena Collum SHU Citizen Username: Sheena_collum Post Number: 106 Registered: 4-2005 |
Alright sure - with that mentality it's fair to say if you break your arm you might as well amputate it. I hope that's not really what you're advocating for... | ||
| User58 Citizen Username: User58 Post Number: 192 Registered: 8-2004 |
No it is not the same! So I guess if someone does not perform at his or her job he or she should never be let go? In politics if you have no integrity you have nothing. Unfortunately we live in a country and an enviroment where a lack of integrity in politics is acceptable! Go to the new thread and read what rosner rights! I personally know someone who was on a committee in our town and mr.taylor was also on the committee and he did not show up for a single meeting! Not a single meeting! Just another note! | ||
| Eliot Spitzer Supporter Username: Doublea Post Number: 1111 Registered: 3-2003 |
Read Rosner writes. Allan Rosen should resign. | ||
| Eliot Spitzer Supporter Username: Doublea Post Number: 1112 Registered: 3-2003 |
The only problem with Rosen resigning is that Calabrese, Taylor, Moore and Jennings would name his replacement. |
