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Cynicalgirl
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Posted on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 5:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just sat here sorting through medical bills, forms etc. and paying various co-pays. I sweartagod, one is better just letting them age in a drawer for awhile. One account, that I didn't pay last month, shows a lower balance this month due to "adjustments." I tell you what, if you're not sick before you start, you are after you've been dealing with this for a bit.

ARGH!
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Posted on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 10:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"I once read somewhere that life is a terminal illness and there is a lot of truth to that since no one has admitted to being able to invent/ discover/obtain immortality.

The best we can do is to live each day not as if it were our last but as if it were our first.


Joan - this really struck a chord with me. Thank you .

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Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 11:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greentree:
I had to respond to your statement about not "needing" your mom anymore because you are a middle aged woman. I have been reading your blog for a long time now, and couldn't bring myself to contribute, although I have many times in my head. I lost my mom two years ago after a long illness. I lived in the same house with her and took care of her everyday. I can tell you that for me, I will always "need" my mother. It's funny because I need her in the very ways you talk about your mom, like calling her to tell her the silly little mundane things in your life. I am not trying to depress you, and everyone's reactions are different, but I miss my mom more now than ever. Watching my mom become helpless and handicapped was the hardest thing for me. She worked until she was 70 in an assisted living place, and would come home and talk about all the things the residents were going through, without knowing her fate just one year later. The last year of her life, I had to "physically" put her to bed everynight. I would tuck her in , kiss her, and she would say to me every single night without missing a beat, I love you, thank you for everything." I would then say to her, You took care of me when I was little, so now it's my turn to take care of you. Sometimes thinking of that is all I need to gat me through the day. I am grateful for the special moments I shared with her, but I am middle age, and I still need my mom. My prayers are with you and your mom during this time, I know how difficult it can get, and you will get through it. Peace!
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Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 11:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greenetree - just got this quote in an e-mail and thought I'd share:
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming... 'Wow! What a ride!"

From what you've written about her, your mom will most certainly be able to say "what a ride". As will my brother-in-law - we're not counting him out yet by any means - but we're not naieve about the seriousness of pancreatic cancer either. I am writing from Duck, NC.. an annual vacation taken with some of his family and some of mine. He should be with us, but instead he is undergoing radiation and chemo on a daily basis. He insisted that we not cancel our plans, so this vacation is a half-hearted effort - but we try. Today is a good day however, after his treatments he will drive a bit north to meet his 6th grandchild, a boy, born today on his grandfathers birthday.. ahhhh the circle of life!
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Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 11:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks so much for the thoughts, folks. It's not a club I want to be in, but at least I know that it is possible to survive the loss of a parent.

I do not think that Greenemom will go out yelling "what a ride"! Rather, she will be yelling "Quick! Toss me some matches"! Yesterday, her best friend & her hubby drove mom halfway to Chicago, where Normal Bro met them. She's got an appointment at Rush tomorrow and will spend a few days with the grandkids before Donut Guy drives her home. Apparently, they stopped for lunch before getting to the half-way point. Mom had beef nachos and chili for lunch.

All I can say is that even people who are not having GI issues have no business eating such things on a 6 hour road trip. Then, about 2 hours after transfer, the phone rings. It's Normal Bro. He & Mom want to talk to TS; they have a question for her. OK. I put them on speaker phone. He wants to know if she can eat the leftover nachos which have been in the car, unrefrigerated, for the last couple hours. We both say "no" together. I hear mom in the background yelling "We asked TS; tell Greenetree to mind her own business".

Before she left, she was nervous that the travel would make her sick. It does not appear to be a problem.

Cyn - I have cheerfully been telling all medical offices that I have no intention of paying anything until treatment is done and I have a chance to sort out the insurance issues. So far, they have been very understanding. I only have about $20k of bills mom is responsible for sitting in the drawer. Once mom is thru treatment, everyone goes on a $10 per month payment plan. No discussion. Now, the difference is that she is the only one legally responsible for the medical bills and is hardly worried about her credit at this point. I know it's a little different for you.

BTW - mom's hair is starting to grow back. She says the "pubic hair" prediction is coming true. I keep telling her that anyting that short will be wiry. I'll keep you all posted on this most vital question.

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Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 11:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BTW- Heart. In my head, I have this plan for bringing Mom here towards the end. Of course, she may choose to stay home. I'm not sure what will happen. I've learned not to plan too far ahead at this point.

I'm sorry for your loss; I hear from many people that, years later, they still miss their moms. I know I'll need her for the silly stuff. I'm just glad, I guess, that I'm not a young kid still at home, going thru this.
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Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 12:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greenie.SoLadyand Cyn,what an inspiration you are your inner strength and your humor leaves a lot of us with tears. Anyone reading about your trials in your life at this time gives us strength and make us realize you can survive whatever life puts in our path with stength and sometimes humor. Not a day goes by that everyone of you are in my prayers.
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Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 12:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greenetree:

I still call my Mom from time to time. I just don't have to use the telephone anymore.
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Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 12:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Cynicalgirl
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Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 4:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

greenetree, I can't help it: I ALWAYS feel heartened when I hear a patient has eaten Mexican food. I had an old friend, a person who suffered from irritable bowel syndrome, colitis you name it in that region. In her case there was clearly a "nerves" angle. When I went to visit I prescribed margaritas and nachos, which I made for her. She was symptom-free for the whole week I was there.

Good tip on the bills. I'd like to just set up the several payees on my checkin' account web site, and auto-pay them $10/month till hell freezes over! Talk about detail that obfuscates...
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Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 5:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, mom is making dinner for Normal Bro. So, that's a good thing.

BTW - I forgot to share this really trivial bit of news today: I look like I came to work in my PJs. Flowing, off-white linen pants (I look like a marshmallow with my big butt), oversized coral rayon shirt, Birkenstocks (plantar fasciitis is acting up & they give support)and stringy, overgrown hair. Oh, I washed it, but I'm 8 weeks overdue for a haircut & I didn't blow dry. When I got to work, I realized that I'd forgotten a hair clip, so it has been falling in my eyes all day. And my roots are showing. If it weren't for the mascara and underwire bra digging into my rib cage, I be down-right cozy-comfy!

I'd like to blame it on my mom's illness, but, frankly, I've had "homelss PJ days" my entire career. They just pop up once in awhile. Although, the long scraggly hair in the eyes is a new twist.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 11:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pajama day is a perk of womanhood, and bosses be darned. The word always reminds me of my niece age 3:

"Pajamas. Pajamas! And I hope you like pajamas too!" to the tune of Marley's.

Classic.
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Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 10:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, I got my hair cut and my roots dealt with. Tonight I will get a mani/pedi. I need to pull my appearance out of a random orifice. I am also eating more healthily and get more exercise. I need to take off 20 pounds, but if I can't do that, I can be a healthy little piggy.

Mom had her second opinion. It was pretty much the same. I didn't really expect that this guy had a miracle cure, but kind of hoped for a glimmer of light. He did bring up to her that the time may come when she wants to be nearer to her family. I think it made her sad; she is really coming to terms with everything.

She wants to be home & I can't blame her. She was nervous about the grandkids seeing her with no hair, but she let them rub her fuzzy head. My sis-in-law told me that the 5 y/o said "I like Grammy better with hair". Her mother said "Grammy likes it better with hair, too, but she had to take very strong medicine that made it fall out". I said "uh-oh, you know she'll remember that next time she has to take medicine". S-I-L said "we'll just talk about how it's an adult thing". I said 'That's true. You can also tell her that Daddy's hair is falling out, even without medicine". I love to tease my brother about his hair (this is Poptart Guy).

Three people have told me that mom had a great week last week; home, cooking, puttering around her garden, finally getting her spring cleaning done. I know that makes her feel good & I hope she has many more times like this. She made dinner for Normal Bro on Monday night. When she can't do that anymore, if she wants, I have figured out a way to convert the first floor den w/ full bath into a bedroom for her.

Today's look: khakis, sweater set, coiffed hair and.... birkenstocks.

BTW - anyone want a Labradoodle? For the right family, I'm quite serious. He needs kids, lots of room to run and a stay at home parent.
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Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 10:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

greenetree - I am sorry the Dr #2 didn't say "Dr #1 is an idiot". I know that would have been the best possible diagnosis. I hope the remainder of your mom's life (however long that may be) is filled with happy moments with her family and a lot of laughter.

One thing I regret after my dad passed away: I don't have any footage of him on video. You have little kids in the family, so I am sure there must be video cameras around and I bet your mom is on some family stuff... but if not - I recommend it. In the last year I have made an effort to capture my mom on videotape because I never want to regret not having it ...

and yes, I would LOVE a labradoodle - but I don't think I could convince notehead <sniff>
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Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 10:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I always knew that Notehead was an evil, evil animal hater!

Good idea about the video. When we had my niece's B-day party in April, we took lots & lots of pics; mom & her kids, mom & the grands, the whole family, mom & her friends. She had her hair, she looked good, hadn't lost much weight yet. I took all the negatives to Bill Tomlin - he did professional retouches & printed them for me. I am so glad I did it, too. I made enough copies for everyone.

I have to say, that if you have amatuer photos that need to be salvaged/fixed, Bill's the man!
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Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 12:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the best pictures - while so special and so beautiful (I am sure you treasure them) - can't replace hearing a person's voice.
I miss hearing my dad's voice. I hear it in my head (he talks to me, y' know) but it's not the same....
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Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 1:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah - I have a friend who lost his fiance last year (42 y/o smoker - lung cancer). He has kept her cell phone account open so that he can hear her voice on her VM message.

I'm just not sure that she wants to be remembered this way. I was looking at some pics last night of her & me together about 20 years ago, laughing. That's my mom.

I spoke to my sis-in-law a few minutes ago. Mom doesn't feel well; I think that her doctor appointment took a lot of her emotional energy. I hope that once she gets home (tomorrow) she feels better again.

My brother put on videos of the kids water skiing for her last night. It brought tears to her eyes. I know her; she is busy thinking about all the things she will never see. I am so sad for her.
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Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 1:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

this is such an emotional rollercoaster for all of you.
I am sad for her, too.

(I tried to get my mom to leave their home answering machine message just so we could always hear dad's voice. everyone nixed it - I was the only one who thought this was a good idea. It freaked a few people out. I still think I was good idea!)
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Cynicalgirl
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Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 4:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

greenetree, I'm sorry about the crappy confirmation. It stinks. I hope your mother has good times for as long as possible. I agree on the voice and video. And if she's game, give her a tape recorder and tapes all on her own I have some of that from my dad.
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Greenetree, I too am sorry that things haven't taken the turn you were hoping for. I've been following this blog since it was started and have sent good thoughts out to you, Cynicalgirl and everyone else as well.

For what it's worth, I agree about the video and voice recordings as well. For years, I tried to convince my dad that taping him and his brother telling old family stories about people I'd only seen in pictures would be a good idea. Nothing was better than when the 'Delaware crew' would head to our house, sit around the table and just tell those stories that would make you laugh till your eyes tear up and your sides hurt. I wish I had pushed a little harder for it, cause I lost my dad six years ago Monday after delayed complications from six bypasses. Sure, the memories are there, but somehow it's not quite the same.

Sending you all wishes for strength, peace and more good days than bad...
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Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 10:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, guys. Today, I am oddly at peace. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because, for bett... well, for worse, anyway, we know where we're going. My major concern now is helping mom be comfortable and as unafraid as possible.

Poptart Guy is driving her home tomorrow. He's a little hurt that she doesn't want to stay with him longer. He doesn't get that she needs to be in her home, in familiar surroundings. It would be nice to think of her playing with her grandchildren, but they are doing their thing. Soccer, playing with friends, whatever. They love their Grammy, but only understand that she doesn't feel well and just rests a lot. I told him that she has a lot to digest right now and none of us know how we would react in the same situation. We'd like to think that we would leap out of the chair screaming "I'm going to go climb Mt. Everest before I go"! but who knows what we would actually do.

Someone will be there to meet her at home. My brother is going right back.

I spoke to the 2nd opinion doc tonight. I asked him if there is any point going to 3rd line if this fails. He said that there are individual reactions, but generally not. So, we do the next chemo, get a CAT and take it from there.

It's weird. I was talking to mom's personal doc today, the family friend. He told me that 11 of his patients around mom's age have been diagnosed with lung cancer since she was in February. Peter Jennings, the actress from "Dallas" (Barbara something?), etc. The chickens are coming home to roost for the cocktail and cigarette glamour generation. I have to go back and crunch some numbers on cancer rates and smoking. Forgive the epidemiologist in me for popping out, but I suspect that, over the next 5 years or so, smoking-related cancer risks will be estimated upwards. What a friggin' waste. For so many, many people.
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Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 10:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It occurs to me that I have spent far too much time waxing philosophical on this blog. So, let me tell you how I tortured (inadvertently) a vendor today....

We are desparately waiting for a report and have been for several months. The vendor had a junior person on it and after we made her redo it several times, a senior person finally (duh) realized that he would have to do it. The really, really final from him was due last week. So, Tuesday, I am talking to my boss and I ask her if she got the report & maybe they forgot to copy me. Nope. So, I e-mail the senior guy. Hi - where the hell is the report that was due months ago and really, really due last Friday? He writes back that he has unexpectantly been out for the past few weeks as his mother had emergency open heart surgery, but he will get it to me this week.

I reply that I understand, as my own mother has been ill. I wish him well and tell him that I look forward to getting the report.

Today, he calls. He will get the report out tonite, he just wants me to know that it is coming. He tells me how recent events have just messed everything up. I say that I understand, and that these things put everything into perspective....what's important, what isn't.

Dead silence (no pun intended). Then, he sputters. Well, uh, no, I mean.... anyway, we thought we could move forward with the manuscript and.....

I realized that when I made the comment about things not being important, that he thought I was talking about his priorities as a vendor who is getting paid a gazillion bucks to meet my business needs. Oops. Didn't mean it that way.
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Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 11:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greentree- I don't know if you realize what an impact this blog is making on many of us. I was a smoker for years and have been going through some stressful things lately and am always tempted to have a cigarette. Every time I have that urge I think of you and your family and have a stick of gum instead.

It's good to hear that you're at peace today. I think of you, your mom, and the others that post here often. I wish there was something I could do to help.. Be well and know that there are many us here that care.
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Wb - you just made my day. At some point, I may tell my mom "someone told me that s/he fought temptation to pick up a cigarette because of you". It will make her feel less like this is all pointless.

Thank you.

BTW - I quit smoking myself in 1987. I have been tempted over the years, but never did. Ironically, I really wanted one during a particularly rough patch a few weeks ago. I didn't. I have also started staying out of the sun & wearing sunscreen in earnest. This is the first year that I do not have a beautiful, deep golden glow. I had a pre-melanoma removed 6 years ago. Tomorrow, I go for my annual mole check.

It has become quite clear to me that "someday" eventually arrives.

Note to self: shave legs and wear good underwear tomorrow.
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Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 11:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I recently had my car detailed and decided to stop smoking while driving in an effort to change my habits and make quitting by 12/31 a reality. I haven't smoked a cigarette in my car in a month.

I'm determined, GT. And it's not just for me, it's also for you and Mom.
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Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 11:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bets great news it's a start Greentree thanks you helped me quit I just didn't want to say it out loud you really have helped more people than you will ever know.
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Looks like the gas stations and Quick Chek's of Maplewood will be having a drop in cigarette sales now!
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Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 5:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The only thing worse than 4am thoughts are 3am thoughts. I woke up at 4, thinking all kinds of things. Couldn't shut the brain off. Finally got up & came downstairs. I started reading & the last few posts brought tears to my eyes. Good luck, guys. I know how hard it is.

I started reading back thru this whole Blog. Lots of laughs - Cyn's Dad stories, Las' sister's dog.... too many to count. I read some of my funnier posts about things we've been thru & it made me remember and smile.

I'm sorry that I've been so maudlin lately. I'm sure that, somewhere in the next step of Adventures in Cancerland, there will be more sick and/or funny stories.

Yesterday, my mind wandered a bit & I realized I was vaguely thinking of a memorial service for mom, somewhere down the road. Instead of a hymn, I would play the theme song to "I Love Lucy". I always loved watching Lucy, because all those scrapes and predicaments remind me of my mom. She even has a close friend who refers to herself as "Ethel". There is a scene in a movie (can't remember for the life of me) where someone hitches a ride on a bus, which turns out to be a charter trip to a Lucy convention. There are 50 Lucys running around. It could be a costume memorial.... you cannot come if you don't dress like Lucy.

Hmmmm.... I was more maudlin at 4am, but apparently more twisted by 5:45am.

I have a doctor's appointment in 3 hours. Annual mole check. Then, I go off to get a cortisone shot in my foot for my plantar fasciitis. I still have mixed feelings about it, but I am not about to give up flip flops or going barefoot and it hasn't stopped hurting for months.

This is my last "Summer Friday" off for the year. I realize that it is the only one that I have been in town & able to take the day just to chill.
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I'm sure some will raise an eyebrow given what cynicalboy and I are dealing with on his stomach, etc. cancer, but we have been smokers for some time. For what it's worth, just in case anyone is wondering, his cancer is an inherited familial one that has hit smokers and non-smokers with equal vigor. The horrible truth is that it really, really is hard to stay quit, and the harder when you're dealing with what we are, right now. It's certainly high on the pressured to-do list, and equally certainly public and private news about lung cancer deaths has got it way up on the list. As I'm sure has happened for many observers.

It's very hard, though, once you're past the youthful stage when you just associate it with being single, clubbing, and so on. For both of us, it's part of our memories of family gatherings, our youth and our middle age. We smoked in our college classrooms, in the Army (him), in the church lobby, in our workplaces until the early '80's, on public transportation. Deeply engrained, and no small feat to quit. The generation now in their 30's and younger have been more successful, either in never taking it up or quitting once past the partying stage. And, yes, it hasn't helped that we both have smoking relatives in their 70's and beyond. At the end of the day, it's a sucky, insidious often fatal habit that at the very least restricts your energies and health, and worst, kills you. I wish I'd never started, and hope I manage to stop it this year.
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Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 6:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cyn - amazingly enough, I am not angry at my mom for smoking. I have developed more tolerance for smokers, which is weird. Not that I want to be closed up with smoke: I still won't sit in smoking sections and don't allow it in my house. TS smokes and has been trying to quit for years.

I think that, somewhere in the back of my mind, it used to aggravate me that my mom wouldn't quit. She was the worst case of nicotine addiction that I have ever seen - if we all went out for dinner & sat in the non-smoking section, she spent the entire meal at the bar with her cigarettes. I think I thought that if I could quit, so could she. I was angry before. I'm not anymore because it has really struck home that she did not mean to kill herself.

I think I will always be annoyed, tho, at people who view their smoking as their own business, something that doesn't hurt others. Unless youu are a childless, friendless, unpartnered orphan, it does hurt others. And, even then, then strain on the healthcare system and the expense affects others, too. So, to those folks, I say "wrestle with your own demons and make your own choices. But do not fool yourself that you affect no one else".

BTW, Cyn, I PLed you.
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Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 6:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not to be cute, but even most smokers don't like to be in smoking sections any more!

It's good that you're not angry with her. I don't know your mother, but from your telling -- and what I know of some other balls to the wall independent broads of her vintage (and mine to some extent)-- the smoking habit became very ingrained in the whole personna adopted to navigate and master with the world. I know way too many professional women who smoked and smoke. Between the addiction and the habit within the persona, a tough thing to change/quit. It can feel like a choice between being yourself, and turning into some low fat/salad-centric/have a nice day/jogging/trad female thing that one doesn't necessarily relate to. Roz v Sandy.

Yep, my kid is a primary reason I intend to quit. But then, she's the main reason he and I do many productive things. A lot of what he's dealing with, well, she is the main reason he tolerates the treatment and so on. And the reason I put up with my corporate job and a whole host of other things. I can't relate to the strain on the healthcare system -- too abstract. Kid, personal health/well-being, expense yes.
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Greentree you have a way with words your story about your Mom and Lucy were right on the money with memories of my Mom. It sure bbrought to tears to my eyes this morning. Have a great day off and good Karma to you all day long!!Hugs tell TS I said hello.
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Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 8:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hope I'm not coming across as judgmental or reactionary. I've been smoking since age 11 (I once quit for 1 day). I have a persistent cough that embarrasses the sh*t out of me (coughcough). I could use the money. I don't like the smell.

I know it's going to be the hardest wall I've ever had to face, but I feel it's time, it's now, and hopefully, not too late.
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Bets - you can do it.. I know from experience. Once you decided that you really want this, it'll still be hard, but you'll stick with it. Good luck.

Greenetree - sounds like there are rough days ahead.. hang in there.

Just talked to BIL's wife last night (what the f..k are we doing in NC?). He has reached the stage where painful gas pockets have formed - he can't get comfortable. The only thing he's allowed to take is the narcotics and they're not working so well and make him dopey. He's a crab and his wife, who is a nurse, is getting the brunt of it. (since we're all down here having fun in the sun). Anyway - Greene & Cyn.. were there any successful homeopathic remedies you tried for Greenemom & Curt? Any advice would be very much appreciated.
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Of the narcotics, the Fentanyl patches (time-release) that cynical boy is on gave him the fewest side effect. Homeopathic hasn't come into it, though every time I remind him about epsom salts baths, and he takes one, it seems to ease every little thing....
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Bets - wanting to really quit is sometimes the hardest hurdle. Have you tried drugs? the patch? I did zyban and it worked amazingly. It also helped that I really really wanted to quit.

Good luck, bets!

Cyn - I also understand how you can smoke in the face of what you're going through. we maintain habits because so often they are a coping mechanism, very calming to us in times of trouble. You'll quit when you're ready.

greentree - you are allowed to be maudlin. you didn't start this blog for our entertainment. What you may not have noticed is that we, your dear readers and neighbors,stick around whether you're maudlin or riotously funny. It's your blog. Be what you wanna be.

enjoy your well deserved day off
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OK - this is a crisis. For those of you who have said "anything I can do to help", it's time to put your money where your mouth is.

I cannot find this month's issue of Vanity Fair anywhere. It is vital that I read Jen's story ASAP. But, apparently I am not the only one with this burning need, because it is sold out all over. Not even a copy to steal from a nail salon. Yes- I am jonesing so bad that I can be driven to crime.

Does anyone have a copy I can borrow?

BTW,} Lucy - TS is going nuts figuring out if we know each other.
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Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 2:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes we do try calling a doctors office for a copy of the magazine.
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Greenetree:

Have you tried the Maplewood Library? They should have a reference copy if it is this month's issue and no one has stolen it.

Bets:

The only way to quit smoking is to convince yourself that you absolutely, positively want to do it, not just today but for every remaining day of your life.

Good luck quitting. Let me know if you need moral support.
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I have it but I'm out until late tonight and heading out for the day early tomorrow. If you still don't have it by tomorrow evening. Let me know, and I'll bring it by.

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