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     mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 2115 Registered: 5-2001  |
Food for thought: One of my best friends is a renter in SO with 2 kids. The school board checks on her once or twice a year to make sure those are her kids living with her, they check her lease, etc. Very responsible. However, I know someone else whose partner and his daughter (a CHS student) live in her home (owned). They have not checked on this situation in the slightest once over the years, ever. Which could explain why many illegals are in the system. They simply claim the address of a friend or relative who own (not rent) a home here in town and arrange for transportation from wherever they really live. Sorry to say, but if I lived in East Orange, Orange, Irvington or Newark with the high crime rates, and I had a friend/relative living here in MSO, I would do the same thing with my child. What a mess. | ||
| Diversity Man Citizen Username: Deadwhitemale Post Number: 465 Registered: 5-2001 |
Are you going to inform on your acquaintance,who is stealing an education at our expense? Or not. DWM | ||
| Flt Citizen Username: Flt Post Number: 109 Registered: 3-2003 |
I hope Mem does so. We can all benefit. | ||
| critter Citizen Username: Critter Post Number: 18 Registered: 5-2002 |
Did I read mem's post wrong? It sounds as though these are both legal situations. Everyone lives in the home they claim to live in. | ||
| kathy Citizen Username: Kathy Post Number: 631 Registered: 5-2001 |
Mem did not say that her acquaintance had an illegal child in the system. From what she said, the child clearly lives here with a parent. She merely said that the district does not check up on this living situation (because the partner/parent is living with a homeowner) the way that they do with renters. Presumably this is a "landlord affidavit" situation, and landlord affidavits should be checked on periodically. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 2117 Registered: 5-2001 |
Kathy, Correct. Both are legal situations. However, no one checks on the person I know who owns her home (it's in her name only), and has her boyfriend and his daughter living with her. Ever. She feels she could have 20 different kids listed at her address and no one would check. | ||
| bpaandco Citizen Username: Bpaandco Post Number: 24 Registered: 9-2003 |
It seems strange that a landlord affidavit was not required to register this child. Without knowing the details, I would guess that the boyfriend has his name somewhere on the deed or mortgage payment. Homeowners are not checked like renters are because people who own homes don't move as much as renters do. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 2120 Registered: 5-2001 |
This just in from the owner: (She sent an email) "I never signed any affidavit form and XXX is not on my mortgage in any way. No one ever checked." They do not share a last name either. | ||
| jfburch Citizen Username: Jfburch Post Number: 1014 Registered: 6-2001 |
So why don't you call Pat Barker and have them look into it? | ||
| lumpyhead Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 454 Registered: 3-2002 |
We need a more formal and anonymous way of reported suspected illegal students. I also think that most of the students are unaware they are illegal since they have the correct 'paperwork' that is never checked up on again until another registration which could be 10 years. Put up a sign in the hallway that says; 'If you don't sleep in Maplewood or South Orange at night, you don't belong in this school" Of course unless they are paying the $10K which I doubt. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 2122 Registered: 5-2001 |
jf, My friend's situation is perfectly legal because the CHS student really lives with her. really lives there. I would be wasting Pat Barker's time, unless you mean to tell this Pat Barker person that no one is checking all home owners? | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 2123 Registered: 5-2001 |
Lumpy, What do you mean by "the $10 dollars"? | ||
| lumpyhead Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 455 Registered: 3-2002 |
Sorry, I meant $10K or the tuition. How many kids pay? Two? The district themselves admit to 65 students that are illegal. With our lax system and registration every 10 years, triple it. | ||
| vermontgolfer Citizen Username: Vermontgolfer Post Number: 135 Registered: 12-2002 |
mem, he/she means the estimated cost of $10,000/student. | ||
| jfburch Citizen Username: Jfburch Post Number: 1015 Registered: 6-2001 |
Yes, well then, what is your point? (And why is it not a thread about legal students?) If it's a concern about a loophole or enforcement, Pat Barker might still want to know--based on J. Crohn's report of her conversation with her in our last illegal students thread. Maybe you were just looking for a scary topic for Halloween? | ||
| jfburch Citizen Username: Jfburch Post Number: 1016 Registered: 6-2001 |
And lumpy, there is no district statement about the number of illegals. A former registrar puts the number at "under 1%" which would be somewhere under 65. Obviously if they could get an exact count, the number should drop to 0, excepting cases on appeal. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 2124 Registered: 5-2001 |
"Yes, well then, what is your point? (And why is it not a thread about legal students?)" Why is it not a thread about legal students? Because it's MY thread, you just post in it... Ding dong - anyone home? I am showing how so many illegal students do get into the system. And according to my bestest friend who worked for the BOE, as well as more than one CHS teacher, there are way more than 65. There were almost that many when I was in CHS, and that was in the 70's. | ||
| bpaandco Citizen Username: Bpaandco Post Number: 26 Registered: 9-2003 |
Pat Barker would be grateful for any help or suggestions. Any annonymous tips are taken seriously. A phone call, a letter, anything. What is needed is names of students or an address. Nothing can be done if someone says "There's an illegal 10th grader in Columbia" That's like saying "It's the guy wearing the hard hat" on a construction site. Riding the bus with the alleged illegals to Newark won't solve anything either, because again, no name is given. | ||
| bpaandco Citizen Username: Bpaandco Post Number: 27 Registered: 9-2003 |
"In the 98-99 school year, 22 students' residency were found to be in question. Of the 22, 16 proved residency, 4 transfered out of the district on their own accord, 2 were found not domiciled and were transfered to the district where they live. In the 99-00 school year, by the month of October, 19 students residencys' were found to be in question. Of the 19, 4 transfered out of the district on their own accord, 2 were resolved to the boards satisfaction, 2 were referred to tdistrict counsel for review, 3 were pending proof of residency, 3 proved residency and 5 were being removed pending the boards resolution." This is quoted fromt the report to the district given in December of '99. Yes, it was 4 years ago, but I believe the district still works dilligently to keep illegal students out of district schools. After enough information is gathered to suspect a student does not live in the district, it goes to a board hearing. Because of legalities, what seems to be an open and shut case takes time. Proper proceedures have to be taken, otherwise the student gets to stay. Just like in real life court when some loophole lets the bad guy get away. | ||
| lumpyhead Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 456 Registered: 3-2002 |
Jburch- Mem actually attended Columbia High School and saw this first hand. Did you? Illegal students existed then and they exist today. The problem has only gotten worse as the surrounding towns have decayed. We are looking for solutions to a problem, not to deny them. One illegal is too many. |
