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Montagnard
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Post Number: 351
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 3:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

From BBC Online:

quote:

The US Supreme Court has allowed the Bush administration to keep secret the names and other basic details of terror suspects it has detained...

Between 800 and 1,100 people were detained after 9/11, but about 515 of them were later deported, according to Kate Martin, director of the Washington-based Center for National Security Studies (CNSS)...

The CNSS sued to learn the names and other basic information about the detainees.

But the US federal appeals court said last June such information would play into the hands of terrorist groups and ruled the details should be kept secret.


The security argument is completely bogus, since it's obvious that any genuine terrorists among the detainees would have been missed by their organizations, who would of course look for any source of betrayal. Presumably there has been some clumsy attempt to turn some of the detainees into double agents, who might be exposed if others arrested in the sweep were able to tell their stories.

If you have a friend that you haven't seen for a while, give them a call to make sure they are still free.


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lumpyhead
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Post Number: 610
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 3:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The US Supreme Court allowed this, not GWB. Go to France.
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themp
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Post Number: 346
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 3:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Forget about it. Democracy ain't what it used to be. There was a time when I thought certain things, like political speech and jury trials, were permanent features of our country, that we had fought for and earned for keeps. But sometimes I guess they go away. If I were a democratic candidate, I'd run on nothing less than restoring citizens' rights.
Try this on for size:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/01/04/ING PQ40MB81.DTL&type=printable
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themp
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Post Number: 349
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 4:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Go to france! Get a horse! Hire union! America: Love it or leave it! Out of work, eat your rice-burner! Yuppie go home! Yankee go home! America out of vietnam! Support our troops! America out of North America! Dole for President! Up with people! Free Mumia! I'm with stupid! I am stupid! I am Lumpyhead!
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themp
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Post Number: 350
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Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 4:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Save the whales! Go to France! Down with Hillary! Beam me up Scotty! Go to France! Tennis players have fuzzy balls! Virginia is for lovers! NRA all the way! Punk Rock! Go to France! Eat at Joe's! La la la! Hug your kid!
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Montagnard
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Post Number: 352
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 4:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, it's like something out of Argentina, isn't it? And if it goes much further, people who protest in the "wrong" area might simply disappear. Anyone who values democracy should find this deeply frightening.
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notehead
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Post Number: 850
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 4:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Themp... it's okay... deep, cleansing breaths... I want you to put the slogans down, and step away... we'll get through this together, buddy.
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mem
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Post Number: 2598
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Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 4:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Um, these are terror suspects, not even US citizens, so let the experts do their work. They're not giving out their little terrorist names? So what? They're lucky we didn't cut their b*lls off.
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mfpark
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Post Number: 160
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 5:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mem: You hate France after a time of exile there; you believe in sharia-type justice (an eye for an eye, a testicle for a testicle)--wait, are you a radical Shiite cleric?
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themp
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Post Number: 353
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 5:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm sorry. What happened? I'm all tingly. I had an attack of sloganitis.
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themp
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Post Number: 354
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Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 5:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mem- whose this "we"? Are you accustomed to inflicting physical torture? Or is this armchair torture?

We are F'ed. Mem is learning how to torture "our" enemies in her garage. She's a "real" American.

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Montagnard
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Post Number: 353
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 5:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Under the present system, the Administration is free to designate anyone as a terrorist.

Imagine how you would feel if a foreign government secretly imprisoned American visitors.



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themp
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Post Number: 356
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 5:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, but we don't need them old safeguards anymore, because now the "right" folks are in charge, and they would never abuse their power.
So Montagnard I suggest you just watch yourself.
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mem
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Post Number: 2599
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Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 5:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh really? We are F'ed? oooooo, Big Shock. I thought we already were, at least I was. By terrorists.
Someone disagrees about gov't tactics and oh boy, certain people get all nasty and personal. How tacky.
BTW - please do not ASSume what kind of time I spent in france - you have no idea about my life mfpark. And themp, stay out of my garage.
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themp
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Post Number: 358
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Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 5:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Right next to the betty crocker oven.
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mem
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Post Number: 2600
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Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 5:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Whew. I just have to watch myself? OK, thanks for the suggestion. I was starting to worry if I was turning into a terrorist or something.
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mem
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Post Number: 2601
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Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 5:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Betty Crocker ovens are for people that eat, eat eat. Mem ain't one of those.

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Ukealalio
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Post Number: 357
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 5:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Even tho I abhor Bush and his crew, I think the war on terrorism should be mostly covert.

Maybe I watched too many 007 movies as a kid (Connery versions) but this is not a traditional war or enemy. I realize this goes against a lot of what I believe but terrorist cells have infiltrated the globe, and they are not going to play by any sort of traditional military rules.

Unfortunately, Bush is the one in charge and I think he has proven he has ulterior motives, especially in Iraq.
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lumpyhead
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Post Number: 612
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 6:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Themp- I must be stupid because for the life of me, I cannot connect the dots between terrorism and Mem in her gargage with an easy bake oven. Must be nerd humor.
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sbenois
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Post Number: 10584
Registered: 10-2001


Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 9:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Supreme Court got this one right.


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