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virgilian
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Username: Virgilian

Post Number: 190
Registered: 7-2001
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 2:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They sure were stock items.
Mine work perfectly, are 90 years old.
The upper sashes, the lower sashes, all glide flawlessly.
A suburban dream.
If the aluminum 3-track storms protect original glazing underneath I'm all for them.
They can protect the original windows.
The Marvins are fine, I think. You know Marvin makes single glazed windows still, and you can have them make wood storms.
I think Pella is stepping up to the plate with better windows than what they used to have, but I don't really follow their products.
Andersen may be also, I don't know.
But why rip out what works after 90 years?
If it doesn't work, why not try fixing it?
Patience: these are old houses. You'd look better with shiny white dentures but don't you kind of like your old yellowed teeth?

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gj1
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 2:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

JGTierney touched on a good point. I've talked to more than one person who said they were replacing their windows because they were painted shut. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think people no longer realize that things can be repaired. If it doesn't work, replace it. That's how things are made these days.

Wood windows, unlike vinyl windows, are very repairable. I'm in the process of getting all my double hungs working again...one at a time.
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greenetree
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Post Number: 1957
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 2:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bob-
I'm curious about removing the aluminum tracks. That is what we have now & I would love to get rid of it. The only problem I can see with the interior thermal panes that Barb posted about earlier is that, even with the two-part pane, I don't see how screen windows come in.

Do you have screen windows & where are they without the frame?
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bobk
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Post Number: 4275
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 3:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We have standard triple track, including screen, storm windows. We had the sash painted when the house was done and the storm sash and screen was taken out to do this. The difference in look was very noticeable.

I would not leave old windows exposed to the elements as they will deteriorate rather quickly. This is one of the attractions of modern double glazed windows with aluminum or vinyl cladding. You don't need the storms.

I admit that on an addition we have Anderson windows. They came with a screen that fits on the outside of double hung windows and on the inside of casement windows. I hate the simulated divided light grills, especially from the outside.
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newtoallthis
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Post Number: 84
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 4:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is there a book with information on how to fix old wooden windows? I need to replace weights, etc, but have no experience at all.
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Richard O'Connor
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Post Number: 93
Registered: 6-2001


Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 4:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

newtoall .... if you google search it online I'm sure you'll find the answer but I'd also check out www.homehandyman.com as they offer a wealth of instructions on these kinds of things.

Tom Silva also just gave a lesson on "Ask this old house" on how to fix a doublehung.
Richard (ROC)
--Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark; professionals built the Titanic.--
--AIM: ROConn
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JGTierney
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Post Number: 126
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 4:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This may be the article that goes along
with what Richard mentioned:

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/knowhow/exteriors/article/0,16417,202300,00.html
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Barb
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Post Number: 69
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 4:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Newtoallthis,

I'm in the midst of repairing mine now. It's not that difficult, but takes a little effort and willingness to get grubby. Private line me if you want a demostration some day. It's really inexpensive and very rewarding to do it yourself.
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gj1
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 4:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Renovating Old Houses by George Nash is a great book and includes detailed info on repairing double-hung windows along with a wealth of other information.
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Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider

Post Number: 1692
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 5:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How close do you have to get to a house to notice that it has the politically incorrect type of window?
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
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susan1014
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Post Number: 73
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 6:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

With all of this discussion of window repair, no one has discussed lead abatement. We need to do something about our windows for heating reasons. I'd be happy to consider keeping them with better storms and various fixes, but also have to think about lead abatement...I'm currently afraid to use my windows any more than absolutely needed because of lead dust issues. I've got a pre-schooler, and am not going to wet mop every time I open the window to make sure that the dust is abated. Any thoughts on what it takes to keep the original windows and improve the lead abatement of my house? (without a huge investment that will not be reflected in my property value!)
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Tom Reingold
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Post Number: 1694
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 6:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't know what you can do in the winter. In the warm weather, I suggest you do the scraping and painting yourself. You just need a dust mask. And get your kid away while you do this.

We did this in some rooms this past summer. It was a lot of work, but we learned that it doesn't take any rocket science to do. Just a bunch of elbow grease.

In the meantime, yeah, maybe you do need to wet mop after using the windows, but you won't need to open the windows for a while in this weather. Maybe you should just open the doors for a half hour every week to make sure the air is changed.
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
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Fotboat
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 10:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Has any one ever tried the Window grille kits they sell, to attach to the inside at out side of single pane windows?

http://amscousa.com/Window%20Grille%20Kit.htm
&
newpanes.com
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virgilian
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Post Number: 197
Registered: 7-2001
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 10:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fot:
Wow.
That's really abominable.
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virgilian
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Post Number: 198
Registered: 7-2001
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 10:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tom Reingold:
PC Windows!
Funny.
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virgilian
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Username: Virgilian

Post Number: 199
Registered: 7-2001
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 11:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

bobk-
I have some neighbors who painted their aluminum storm windows, they look pretty good now.
Aluminum holds paint better than people think, maybe even better if it's old with pitting from age?
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Tom Reingold
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Post Number: 1696
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 10:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Glad you liked my pun, but what about answering my question?

I walked by sportsnut's house last night, while walking the dog. Very tasteful looking house. I don't have a trained eye, though, and it was fairly dark, and I guess I don't know how to notice the wrong kind of window.
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sportsnut
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Post Number: 839
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 10:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tom are you spying on us?

To be honest that's a great point. I've lived here for four years now and I can honestly say that I've never seen a house and commented, "My lord those are ugly windows."
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Richard O'Connor
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Post Number: 98
Registered: 6-2001


Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 11:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sports ....

I have to say the same ... even the one I cited in my neighborhood where they 'seem' wrong to me (they have diagonal muntions and mullions) don't look bad ...

I mean...at street distance can you really tell they're not 'real windows'? :-)
Richard (ROC)
--Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark; professionals built the Titanic.--
--AIM: ROConn
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Tom Reingold
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Post Number: 1697
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 11:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sportsnut, my normal route with Red (the greyhound) is up our block. I only observed your house from the sidewalk.
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