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     Don Perkins Citizen Username: Cowboy Post Number: 281 Registered: 9-2003  |
Over the last couple of years, membership of college conservative groups has been growing. Remember back in the 1960s, when Liberal students were organizing protests outside buildings, and even sit-ins inside the offices of deans and college presidents. Well, many of those radical students have become college professors and some of those professors are now college administrators. What’s interesting though is that now, they’ve decided that they are no longer in favor of protests and sit-ins. Take affirmative action “bake sales.” (selling cookies to whites at full price, with discounts for minorities) They are designed to show the absurdity of campus admission policies. Many conservatives find themselves wondering what can be done to help these former-campus-leftists-turned-student-oppressors to regain an appreciation of constitutionally protected free speech, including campus protests. http://www.thefire.org/pr.php?doc=bake_sale_121103.html | ||
| tjohn Citizen Username: Tjohn Post Number: 2101 Registered: 12-2001  |
I wasn't aware that this was a local issue. | ||
| Don Perkins Citizen Username: Cowboy Post Number: 283 Registered: 9-2003 |
tjohn, Save your breath... I'm still trying to get used to this format. | ||
| bobk Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 4375 Registered: 5-2001 |
It must be nice to have a memory of maybe two minutes. Back in the 1960s there were extremely well organized campus groups for Goldwater. They even sold a ginger ale type drink called "Goldwater" at football games. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1818 Registered: 5-2001 |
Why not give the minority customers free slices of watermelon while you're at it? | ||
| Don Perkins Citizen Username: Cowboy Post Number: 284 Registered: 9-2003 |
bobk, my memory is fine. Thanks for your concern. You are so very right, everyone always thinks first about the Goldwater groups when they remember campus organizations in the 1960's. Please continue to teach people how to remember. | ||
| tjohn Citizen Username: Tjohn Post Number: 2103 Registered: 12-2001 |
Bobk, Conservative memory traces the beginning of time and history to January 20, 1981 when Ronald Reagan was inaugurated. Please do not attempt to confuse issues by suggesting that there was anything but the Void before that time. | ||
| Don Perkins Citizen Username: Cowboy Post Number: 285 Registered: 9-2003 |
Sure, and don't you just wish that Abraham Lincoln was a Democrat. Talk about selective memory: Liberals on MOL are probably the only people in the entire world that remember the sixties as being the time of the conservative movement occurring on American college campuses. | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 2756 Registered: 10-1999  |
That's our Bobk - Spokesman for all of us MOL Liberal Weenies!  | ||
| lumpyhead Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 625 Registered: 3-2002 |
You mean he actually took a stand on something? | ||
| Reflective Citizen Username: Reflective Post Number: 263 Registered: 3-2003 |
Tom: Be careful.... ajc is lurking! | ||
| anon Citizen Username: Anon Post Number: 935 Registered: 6-2002 |
Back in the 60's "liberal" was a term of derision by the Left, not the Right. I've thought about posting Phil Ochs's lyrics for a long time: Love Me, I'm a Liberal By Phil Ochs I cried when they shot Medgar Evers Tears ran down my spine I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy As though I'd lost a father of mine But Malcolm X got what was coming He got what he asked for this time So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal I go to civil rights rallies And I put down the old D.A.R. I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy I hope every colored boy becomes a star But don't talk about revolution That's going a little bit too far So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal I cheered when Humphrey was chosen My faith in the system restored I'm glad the commies were thrown out Of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board I love Puerto Ricans and Negros As long as they don't move next door So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal The people of old Mississippi Should all hang their heads in shame I can't understand how their minds work What's the matter don't they watch Les Crane? But if you ask me to bus my children I hope the cops take down your name So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal I read New Republic and Nation I've learned to take every view You know, I've memorized Lerner and Golden I feel like I'm almost a Jew But when it comes to times like korea There's no one more red, white and blue So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal I vote for the democtratic party They want the U.N. to be strong I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts He sure gets me singing those songs I'll send all the money you ask for But don't ask me to come on along So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal Once I was young and impulsive I wore every conceivable pin Even went to the socialist meetings Learned all the old union hymns But I've grown older and wiser And that's why I'm turning you in So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal Her are some notes of explanation from the same website: Sonny Ochs says: "Lerner & Golden were both columnists with left-leaning tendencies. Harry Golden, a humorist, wrote some marvelous books and short stories. One I recall is his plan for integration in schools in the south (this was back when). Since the Southerners didn't mind blacks standing next to whites when making purchases in stores, he proposed that they take out all the chairs in the schools and let the students stand to learn. He called this "vertical integration." Jason V. says: "Les Crane had a talk show based in NYC. Crane was quite liberal, and had many folksingers on his show. You must put some of these lyrics in the context of their time.The song was written in the mid-sixties. "Mr. Kennedy" was JFK. Bobby was still alive. Medger Evers was an NAACP official in Mississippi who was murdered. He was an acceptable moderate as distinguished from Malcolm X. The DAR is the Daughters of the American Revolution which had protested allowing a Black Woman to sing at a certain concert in Washington. Harry Belefonte, Sammy Davis, Sidney Portier Reference to Humphrey being chosen was when he was chosen by Johnson to be his running mate and was still a darling of the liberals. Not like 4 years later was he was seen as an apologist for the Viet Nam War. | ||
| Michaela May Citizen Username: Mayquene Post Number: 44 Registered: 1-2004  |
Those conservative groups, as well as publications, are flourishing because they are largely subsidized by outside groups. Plus, their existence is blown out of proportion -- take for example the five-member "United We Stand" at my alma mater, Brandeis. The group saw national media coverage, as if they were a major movement and not a tiny fraction. The university, by the way, has hundreds of clubs, and I think you'll find that most colleges and universities have expanding numbers of student institutions similar to Brandeis'. The appearence of these groups is a meaningless, misunderstood trend. | ||
| Don Perkins Citizen Username: Cowboy Post Number: 289 Registered: 9-2003 |
Michaela May suggests that “conservative groups, as well as publications, are flourishing because they are largely subsidized by outside groups.” I agree and feel it is an important responsibility to celebrate diversity of thought. If colleges aren’t pursuing that goal than it is justified to attract outside groups that will. In further response to that statement I wish to point out that Universities, including Michaela’s alma mater, Brandeis, have forced conservatives to seek alternatives to regain an appreciation of constitutionally protected free speech. Additionally, Michaela seems to feel that the “appearence (unfortunately misspelled) of these groups is a meaningless, misunderstood trend.” On the contrary, I believe it is extremely noteworthy and here is why. Institutions of higher learning have failed to provide adequate funding to provide for a fair balance between conservative and liberal speakers. I challenge Michaela or anyone else to make a public records request of your alma mater. Specifically ask for the names of all campus speakers over the last five years. Also, request the exact amount of money spent on each speaker, including the speaker fee, travel costs, production, and promotion. Am I sure of what you will find? No, but I’ll wager that Brandeis is typical of what has been going on for many years now in this country’s schools of higher learning. There has been a dramatic imbalance between conservative and liberal speakers making appearances at our universities. There needs to be a better balance. We owe it to our students. Students should be angry. We need to make them angry. In fact, we need to make them so angry that they actually begin to organize protests of their own, just like in the good old days. And there is no better way to do that than to bring a flood of conservative speakers to our nation’s college campuses. Take a look at an example from UNC-Wilmington. Last fall, due to a public records request, they made available a list which revealed that the university had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on campus speakers over the last several years. None of the speakers were conservative. For example, Cornel West was paid $12,000 to speak at the university. After adding travel expenses, production costs, and promotion, the bill came to $13,889. The total costs for an hour-long Bush-bashing by Molly Ivins came to $17,983. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. was a better buy at only $17,476. Do students realize this inequity? Is it fair to thrust only one view upon students? It certainly wouldn’t sit well to have that view directed solely from a conservative point. Therefore, we should demand more funding for conservative speakers at our public universities. The constitution requires viewpoint neutrality when public universities fund speakers, despite individual university’s efforts to stack the selection committees with liberal professors favoring liberal speakers. | ||
| tjohn Citizen Username: Tjohn Post Number: 2113 Registered: 12-2001 |
I can make students angry. Reinstate the draft. No deferments except for children of wealthy Republicans who are entitled to special treatment because of their role in building the wealth of America. | ||
| Dave Ross Citizen Username: Dave Post Number: 6165 Registered: 4-1998  |
Why only look at UNC? Why not Bob Jones University? | ||
| Don Perkins Citizen Username: Cowboy Post Number: 290 Registered: 9-2003 |
What I find typical here on MOL is the swiftness at which topics that make liberal posters uncomfortable get sidetracked. Frequent ramblings on unrelated and non-issues get brought into the fray. And Dave "Himself" not only sanctions it, he promotes it. Very classy and very telling. tjohn, you are angry, very angry and seek to dump this anger upon the "evil" Republicans at every turn. With regards to the draft issue, we don't have one so good luck on the continuing desire to fight windmills. Nice try to cloud the truth, I'll give you 1 point. Dave, you are welcome to research on any and all institutions of higher learning. If you are Jonesing for Bob, go get'em. I give you three points. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1825 Registered: 5-2001 |
How about a conservative speaker who can talk about why federal financial aid programs ought to be cut? That would stir things up. Or, the bio department can bring in a "creation scientist." Always cracks me up, conservatives control the presidency, both houses of congress, the supreme court, they have the mainstream media cowed while they own Fox, but they're all at such a woeful disadvantage because they can't get a toehold in academia. | ||
| Don Perkins Citizen Username: Cowboy Post Number: 291 Registered: 9-2003 |
Is there ever a day when mattresses are NOT on sale? | ||
| Dave Ross Citizen Username: Dave Post Number: 6166 Registered: 4-1998 |
The reason I asked was I just checked my alma matter Drew University and see they have Henry Kissenger and Ari Fleischer on the roster for an upcoming lecture series. Somehow I just doubt things when someone says there are general trends but only provides a single example. http://www.drew.edu/forum/ (maybe to balance out Al Franken's appearance last year?) |
