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Howard Levison
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Username: Levisonh

Post Number: 51
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Friday, February 6, 2004 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why don't you and everyone else start documenting and communicating these "problems" so that they become issues to be addressed by the BOT.

Note: The owner at Tilou and Harding did get some redress.
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patjoyce
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Username: Patjoyce

Post Number: 48
Registered: 7-2001
Posted on Friday, February 6, 2004 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is astonsishing to me that any person who has followed this story could so cavalierly attribute a complaint about walls cracking and other damage to being a "sore loser". There are factions in this town who love to pit sides against one another. One easy way to do this is by labelling people "winners" or "losers". This tactic goes a long way to stifle meaningful debate about any subject.
The great irony here, is that the town officials who supported the "Pulte Compromise" cited a desire to avoid litigation as the driving force behind the compromise. Now that private citizens are complaining about being harmed by the blasting, the town responds this is a private matter which may have to be litigated between the private parties.
The issue has been placed on the agenda of the conference agenda meeting scheduled for Monday evening at 7:30 PM.
Patrick
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Marc
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Username: Bautisma

Post Number: 83
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Friday, February 6, 2004 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sylad and guessagain seemed to be referring to people whose houses were not affected by the blasting
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arizona
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Username: Arizona

Post Number: 8
Registered: 2-2004
Posted on Friday, February 6, 2004 - 10:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

PJ:
Thanks for your supportive input. How nice to have a trustee that is willing to look at the issue and not merely defend the town's actions or pass the buck.
Yesterday's News Record (February 6,p.4) printed a quote worth repeating:

"Do not...regard the critics as questionable patriots. What were Washington and Jefferson and Adams but profound critics of the Colonial status quo?" -Adlai E. Stevenson, 1963
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guessagain
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Username: Guessagain

Post Number: 19
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Friday, February 6, 2004 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Marc..you are right. When I moved into my old house 20 some years ago (within 1/2 mile of the quarry) I too suffered from cracked walls and doors that didn't fit. I chalked it up to old houses, settling and time. It seems that some homeowners in town are looking for any easy (and cash rich) answer to typically problems of 50-100 year old homes.
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arizona
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Username: Arizona

Post Number: 12
Registered: 2-2004
Posted on Friday, February 6, 2004 - 2:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Guessagain,
The damage to my home happened suddenly within the past few weeks. I have lived in the home for 17 years and never had this type of problem. I'm hardly looking to become "cash rich" over this. I only want the town to recognize some responsibility or at least some concern. I resent your suggestion that anyone who has suffered damage is looking to become "cash rich." Wake up and look at what is going on in our town.
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Howard Levison
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Username: Levisonh

Post Number: 52
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Friday, February 6, 2004 - 4:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would not even respond to guessagain.

Thanks Pat for the feedback. The point I was making was not to infer that the BOT was at fault but rather provide communication of the issues. It would be helpful to all parties to know if the problems were specific to ones property or in common to the neighborhood.

I have always assumed that if there were damage I would need to either file an insurance claim or litigate.
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mrosner
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Username: Mrosner

Post Number: 956
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Friday, February 6, 2004 - 4:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It would appear that about a dozen homes have made some type of complaint (not all involve damage).
Howard: I think your assumptions are correct about filing an insurance claim (or litigation ).


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doublea
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Username: Doublea

Post Number: 437
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Sunday, February 8, 2004 - 8:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Today's Star-Ledger has this story about Cedar Grove residents complaining that blasting is damaging their houses.

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/essex/index.ssf?/basenews-4/1076222006254160.xml
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Dave
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 6344
Registered: 4-1998


Posted on Sunday, February 8, 2004 - 12:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

fw

"But even then, I had to blast," Paragano said. "That land up there is solid rock; that is the only way you can build. You have to blast."
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doublea
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Username: Doublea

Post Number: 438
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Sunday, February 8, 2004 - 12:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks. Reminds me of my roots in western Pa.
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just me fromsouthorange
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Username: Jmfromsorange

Post Number: 71
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Sunday, February 8, 2004 - 7:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

dave-
what a beautiful house. is it in south orange?
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Dave
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 6345
Registered: 4-1998


Posted on Sunday, February 8, 2004 - 10:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's Frank Lloyd Wright's Falling Water
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J. Crohn
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Username: Jcrohn

Post Number: 887
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Sunday, February 8, 2004 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave, have you ever been inside Falling Water? The ceilings are kinda low. Plus, the house has apparently, pretty much always, been so leaky as to be uninhabitable.

The roof and walls are sodden. Estimates of the cost of repairs overall run to about $11 million.
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Dave
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 6346
Registered: 4-1998


Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 12:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Isn't that a bit like saying "the Pyramids are amazing, but they're dark inside"?
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Howard Levison
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Username: Levisonh

Post Number: 55
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 7:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave, is this what you mean by your comment:
If there is "blast" in a forest and there's no one there to hear it, does it make a sound/vibration/cracks?

What was the neighborhood of Falling Water when it was built?
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doublea
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Username: Doublea

Post Number: 440
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I received a visit from a safety inspector for the N.J. Dept. of Labor this morning. He had a list of about a dozen homes to visit who had called in to Village Hall about the blasting. He confimed that Pulte was operating within the limits. He had just come from a home where the owner said she had attended the planning board meetings where Pulte had said she wouldn't feel anything from the blasting. I said I had heard Pulte say this too- that the blasting wouln't be noticeable. The inspector said that Pulte should not have said this and had he been there, he would have said so. I replied that I realized he could only assure that Pulte operates within limits, but the Planning Board should not have allowed the blasting, and possibly might not have had they known that it would have been felt.

He said he hated to tell me this, but the blasting would probably go on for one year.
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J. Crohn
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Username: Jcrohn

Post Number: 888
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Isn't that a bit like saying "the Pyramids are amazing, but they're dark inside"?"

No.

The pyramids were not intended to be habitable by people who were not, well, dead.
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arizona
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Username: Arizona

Post Number: 13
Registered: 2-2004
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 1:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

One more year of blasting. I can only imagine how much damage may occur during that time. I think our "leaders" ought to intervene and do what it takes to stop the destruction. What about the town initiating litigation to get Pulte to stop? They did apparently state (according to 2 previous writers) that the blasting would not be felt. Seems like some type of violation and certainly outright deceit.
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mary032
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Username: Mary032

Post Number: 24
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 2:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What "leaders"???

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