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Howard Levison
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Username: Levisonh

Post Number: 56
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 3:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If they made the claim at a BOT meeting then it should be a matter of record.

I also had a visit from a Dept of Labor blasting inspector for the purpose of allowing him to place metering devices if he wanted.

The bottom line is that if you feel there is legitimate damage then you should file a claim with your insurance company.
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arizona
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Username: Arizona

Post Number: 14
Registered: 2-2004
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 3:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree that filing a claim with one's insurance company is an option. If we are talking about cracks and doors that no longer operate properly, frankly, I'm not sure what I would want done to fix it now. Repaint and replaster?? with another year of blasting. What is wrong with asking our local government to stand up and protect the property of residents by insisting that the blasting either stop or be changed to create less concussive and damaging results? I don't get why that is asking too much.
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Howard Levison
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Username: Levisonh

Post Number: 57
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 3:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not to be flip but the developers are property owners as well and I would assume that they would seek similar protection from the Trustees - the developers have been approved by the Planning Board, filed for permits and follow codes etc.

Maybe the issue needs to be discussed through the "coalition" for possible class action.
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Dan Shelffo
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Username: Openspacer

Post Number: 90
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 4:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Did some one say coalition?

PreserveSO@preserveso.com
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arizona
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Username: Arizona

Post Number: 15
Registered: 2-2004
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 4:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Property owners they are but I don't see how that gives them the right to cause damage to others' property. As a property owner do I have the right to do something that causes damage to someone elses property? I hope not. In fact, if I accidently cause damage to someone elses property I am responsible.
Anybody else agree with this?
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mrosner
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Username: Mrosner

Post Number: 965
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 4:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Howard: The statements were made at the planning board hearings.
Your other statements are right on the mark.
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Howard Levison
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Username: Levisonh

Post Number: 58
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 4:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Arizona - you can take a Civil action against them.
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Dave
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 6350
Registered: 4-1998


Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 5:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jcrohn,
True enough. And here's another uninhabitable Wright design...

flw
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arizona
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Username: Arizona

Post Number: 16
Registered: 2-2004
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 6:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mr. Levison,
Civil action is costly and time consuming. We elect our officials to protect us and our property. Why do you keep trying to pass the buck? You must be one of them.
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Mayhewdrive
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 784
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 9:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I didn't catch the whole Trustees Meeting tonight.

Was the issue discussed? What is the recourse for homeowners & what responsibility is the Village going to take?

Has it been determined if the existing house exceeds the permissible lot coverage? (it certainly appears so from the pictures)

What about that 6-8 foot retaining wall? Someone earlier posted there is a height limit for such walls.

Seems we are not the only one suffering from Pulte. Doing a quick web search I found the following. Seems that around the country they are known as PALTRY Homes (not just from neighbors, but from people who actually buy one):

http://www.getpulteoutoftn.com/
http://ncmoneypit.com/
http://www.trendzweb.com/pulte/
http://www.paltryhomes.com/
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just me fromsouthorange
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Username: Jmfromsorange

Post Number: 79
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 9:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

dave-
hey i'll go live in that house!

True enough. And here's another uninhabitable Wright design...
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Dave
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 6353
Registered: 4-1998


Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 9:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You'd have no privacy. It's at the Met. Museum of Art.
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J. Crohn
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Username: Jcrohn

Post Number: 892
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave, you can see a rotating view of that Wright Room at the Met here:

http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/vr_html/vr/temp_v_wright.htm


I much prefer the exteriors of Wright's Home-and-Studio and Taliesin to the better known iconic works like Falling Water and the Guggenheim.

I'm not wild about Wright's interiors, from what I've seen of them. Love Craftsman/Mission architecture in general, but mostly the work of the big man himself seems too cold and simultaneously remote from utility for my taste.
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J. Crohn
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Username: Jcrohn

Post Number: 893
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 10:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can you imagine what a chair like this does to your floors?

Like, how comfortable is this chair, really, and what does it do to your floors when you move it to and fro?
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J. Crohn
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Username: Jcrohn

Post Number: 894
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Taliesin west

Here's a mediocre shot of Taliesin in Wisconsin.
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J. Crohn
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Username: Jcrohn

Post Number: 895
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Monday, February 9, 2004 - 10:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here's a link to a photo of Wright's home and studio in Oak Park: http://www.wrightplus.org/homestudio/index.html
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Howard Levison
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Username: Levisonh

Post Number: 59
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 7:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mr. Arizona(?)- a rational dialogue does not need to be insulting!

What I think I was stating were the options available. Maybe you could articulate what you think the "officials" should be providing. These could then be discussed in an open exchange.
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arizona
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Username: Arizona

Post Number: 18
Registered: 2-2004
Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 8:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HL: Sorry if you felt insulted. I feel insulted by those defending the local government. I just don't understand what is so complicated about our elected officials informing Pulte that the work they are doing is damaging other property owners and has to be altered or stopped. I am not naive enough to think this will stop the construction --only the destruction. How about the town government taking a court action against the builders if they refuse to either minimize the blasting or reduce the concussiveness? I don't know a thing about blasting but perhaps there are ways to use less powerful charges even if the blasts have to be more frequent.
I have heard nothing from the town officials (P. Joyce excepted) that even indicate that they are concerned with damage to property.
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bobk
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Username: Bobk

Post Number: 4604
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 8:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Met room is so much like the living room of the Robie House in Chicago (my wife and I visited there this fall), I had to visit this link to make sure it wasn't the same room.

http://www.wrightplus.org/robiehouse/index.html

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Howard Levison
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Username: Levisonh

Post Number: 60
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 8:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think by just stating that you are annoyed or that you are incurring damage does not provide the level of documentation for our officials to take action. You state destruction - can you further describe what has occurred?

My expectation is that Pulte to act within the parameters of our ordnances and be part of our community. I have been active to report/discuss with our town officials when I feel that they have not.

I have had discussions with the Fire Chief who demonstrates that he has monitors the blasting including being in direct contact with the Dept of Labor. They have discussed lowering the charge but that only elongates the time horizon as well as cost to the developer (not taking their side but stating a reality).

The most effective recourse would be a rational presentation by the effected parties to our officials. But we must do something - document, discuss, describe what we consider to be damaging.

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