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     ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 2280 Registered: 9-2001 |
I stopped in last night with a few guys after our Rotary meeting, and we're all well received... They're looking for business, expanding their menu, and will soon be adding entertainment. I plan to support them, and I hope others on-line will do the same. It just makes good sense to patronize local businesses in town when we can. | ||
| jmfromsouthorange Citizen Username: Jmfromsorange Post Number: 11 Registered: 7-2003 |
Is this the old Stuffed Shirt? I thought they were going to cater to the NON-COLLEGE crowd. What kind of entertainment are they going to add? | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 2292 Registered: 9-2001 |
Yes, at the location of the old Stuffed Shirt. I don't believe they can ever totally eliminate the college group, however, they will only cater to them (with very tight security) on Thursday nights. They are now planning a Sunday Lunch/Brunch with a couple hours of live Jazz. Also, Saturday Night, dinner, drinks, with a live 4-5-piece group, definitely not for the younger crowd... I'm sure it will take a little time to regain community confidence again, and to re-build a regular customer base. I've gotten to know the Paul who runs the bar, and I've known Terrance who will be in charge of the kitchen. They are both very professional and interested in providing the best service possible. I hope everyone reading this will drop in soon and show them some old fashion SO/M hospitality. Just tell them you heard about the South Orange Grill on the entertainment channel at WMOL.  Lets wish them well. Art | ||
| M. Scott Citizen Username: Villageidiot Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2003 |
VERY TIGHT SECURITY...YOU MEAN THE 3-4 FRATERNITY BROTHERS AND LOCAL DRUNKS THEY HIRED TO STAND AT THE DOOR AND ALLOW UNDERAGE FRIENDS IN????LAST TIME I WAS THERE IN NOVEMBER THE KID CURRENTLY WORKING THE DOOR WAS CAUGHT BY A POLICE OFFICER URINATING IN THE PARKING LOT AS HE WALKED TO HIS CAR, (YES AS HE WALKED TO HIS CAR). AFTER BEING ISSUED A TICKET BY THE COP, HE THEN STARTED TO HAVE A SCREAMING FIT AND DRAWING A CROWD. THE PLACE IS A DISGRACE SINCE IT OPENED. IT FORCES OUR POLICE FORCE TO SIT DOWN THERE AND BABY SIT FOR HALF THE EVENING AND LAST TIME I CHECKED WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OFFICERS WORKING OVERNIGHT. OTHER BARS IN TOWN THAT ARE POPULAR WITH THE COLLEGE CROWD (THE GASLIGHT AND CRYANS) DON'T SEEM TO NEED REGULAR POLICE PRESENCE. ANOTHER QUESTION IS WHO ALLOWED THE BAR TO LOCK THE DOORS AND ALLOW FOR A CLUB STYLE WAITING LINE BLOCKING THE ALLY ON WEEKENDS AND THURSDAYS??? WE HAVE A FULL TIME FIRE DEPARTMENT WHO IM SURE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR POSSIBLE VIOLATIONS SUCH AS THAT, BUT THEY MUST BE TOO BUSY COLLECTING A PAYCHECK. WHY CAN'T WE FORCE BUSINESSES WHO STAY OPEN PAST 1230 OR 1 TO HIRE-OFF DUTY SOPD OFFICERS LIKE OTHER TOWNS WITH COLLEGE BARS TO STANDY BY TO DETER DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR AND FIGHTS. WHY SHOULD THE RESIDENTS' POLICE PROTECTION BE DRAWN AWAY FROM THE NIEGHBORHOODS TO BABYSIT SHU STUDENTS. WHY DON'T WE HAVE A NO IN AFTER 1230 OR 1 POLICY LIKE HOBOKEN OR MONTCLAIR FORCING THE LAST CALL CROWD TO STAY AT HOME OR REMAIN IN ONE PLACE. WHY DOESN'T SETON HALL TRY TO OFFER THE VILLAGE A SOLUTION AND OFFER A BAR SHUTTLE FROM DOWNTOWN EACH NIGHT LIKE SOME SCHOOLS (MY ALAM MATER UMASS DID SUCH TO KEEP DRUKEN STUDENTS OUT OF THE NIEGHBORHOODS). THIS WOULD KEEP THE NIGHTLY DRUKEN WALKERS TO A MINIMUM. | ||
| jmfromsouthorange Citizen Username: Jmfromsorange Post Number: 15 Registered: 7-2003 |
lol about cryans not needing 'police presence!' they have someone with police experience as the door bouncer. can't remember if he is off duty or retired. at least they use to. haven't been there in a few years. and they too have underage shu students in there and their share of problems. they just handle them differently. bunny's tends to have an older then college crowd, but i haven't been there in a long time either. i agree shu should do something to work with the town to resolve this problem. any establishment in town open after a certain time should hire a police officer. when i grew up a lot of my friends went to orielly's. then it was a hole in the wall dive, the north end, paulys, what use to be the gaslight (forgot it's name) and the hall. i don't drink and hate smoke, so i very rarely went. too bad they don't have a comedy club in town! or something for the kids to do. maybe with everything being done in 'the village' a skating rink could be built! | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 2299 Registered: 9-2001 |
You're pretty smart for a Villageidiot. Now if you can just channel that anger, and present your recommendations to the proper authority, maybe the businesses and others in town will benefit. Listen, the South Orange Grill is under new management. Why not cut them a break, or would you rather see the location vacant again for a few more years? Jmfromsorange, why not send the kids over to the Maplewood Skate Park? As for a comedy night, hang on, one is coming soon to a town near you... | ||
| Waldo Citizen Username: Discowaldo Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2003 |
Its hard for Seton Hall students to do anything outside of walking distance. And within walking distance there isn't much for students to do, but there are a good number of bars right down the block. I'm not sure how late the dancing goat stays open, but I do know that I have noticed that it has attracted some students away from going to the bar and instead going out for a coffee. There are thousands of students sitting at 400 South Orange Ave. with no mode of transportation, if something else was open past 10 oclock within walking distance possibly the problems with the bars would diminish. Honestly the problem will always be there, this is a college town, and has been since 1856, so you will not be able to lock all the students in the gates of their school. But if they are given someplace to go, not only will other problems lessen, but their are many students with deep pockets just looking for someplace to spend their money. | ||
| M. Scott Citizen Username: Villageidiot Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2003 |
I disagree with you Waldo regarding SHU students. I am an alumni of that disgraceful OVERPRICED!!!! institution and if its one thing that every SHU student brings with them to school is a car. Look around your side streets and you cannot miss their parking stickers. Look at the temple on Irvington Avenue which is now apparently leasing parking to students. STUDENTS HAVE THERE CARS HERE AND THEY GO TO SHOP ELSWHERE. REGARDING STUDENTS AND ACTIVITIES: THEY DON'T WANT TO SHOP IN TOWN...THEY THINK THIS IS THE HOOD. WHEN I ATTENDED FOUR YEARS AGO THE SHOPPING WAS DONE AT WILLOWBROOK, PARAMUS, SHORT HILLS, AND LIVINGSTON. THE ONLY STORES IN TOWN STUDENTS REGULARLY SHOP AT IS THE WINE EMPORIUM, RITE AID, BLOCK BUSTER and PATHMARK.(YES IM OVER GENERALIZING A BIT, BUT ITS MOSTLY TRUE) YES SOUTH ORANGE IS A COLLEGE TOWN (HOWEVER LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF SHU) THE COLLEGE IS A CATHOLIC INSTITUTION THAT WAS EXTREMELY RELIGIOUS UP UNTIL THE LATE 60'S. STUDENTS WERE WEARING JACKETS AND TIES UNTIL THE MID 60'S. ITS A DIFFERENT COLLEGE NOW, THEN IT WAS THE FIRST 110 YEARS. THE STUDENTS DON'T WANT A PLACE TO GO UNLESS YOUR GOING TO OPEN UP A BAR THAT SERVES 18 YEAR OLDS OR YOUR HAVING A KEGGER IN YOUR BASEMENT. I AM NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO CIRCLE THE HORSES AND START FIGHTING THE SHU STUDENTS. BUT THE SCHOOL WANTS TO TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ACTIONS OF THEIR STUDENTS WHEN THEY ARE OFF CAMPUS. THEY ALLOW THEM TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT ON CAMPUS, BUT WHEN IT TUMBLES OFF CAMPUS THE RESIDENTS, THE TOWN, AND THE POLICE ARE BEING JERKS FOR WANTING THE STUDENTS TO PLAY BY OUR RULES. I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH STUDENTS LIVING OFF CAMPUS, I THINK IT IS A GOOD TRANSITION TO THE REAL WORLD. HOWEVER, THIS STUDENT STACKING IN HOMES AND APARTMENTS, NOT TO MENTION, OUR NUMEROUS UNOFFICIAL FRATERNITY HOUSES IS GETTING OUT OF HAND. THE UNIVERSITY IS A DRAIN ON OUR PUBLIC SERVICES, OUR POLICE, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND OUR AMBULANCE SQUAD ALL OF WHICH ARE CONSTANTLY ON CAMPUS...HOW COME NOT ONE POLICE CAR, AMBULANCE, OR FIRE TRUCK SAYS "DONATED BY SETON HALL UNIVERSITY"...ITS BECAUSE THEY DON'T GIVE ANYTHING BACK TO THIS TOWN. DON'T BRING UP SOPAC BECAUSE THE UNIVERSITY IS USING THE TOWN ON THAT ONE TOO...DOES ANYBODY RECALL TO LOOK AT SHU'S MASTER PLAN THAT CALLED FOR MAKING ITS ONLY STAGE IN THE STUDENT CENTER INTO AN ALUMNI RECEPTION HALL SO THEY MAY HOST LARGER DONATION PARTIES...THERE BY FORCING THE UNIVERSITY TO FIND A SEPERATE STAGE FOR THEIR DRAMA AND ARTS PROGRAMS, IN COMES THE VILLAGE WITH THIS LITTLE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER...WAY NOT GIVE THEM THE KEYS TO TOWN HALL. WHY DON'T WE JUST TRADE THE CAMPUS TO NEWARK FOR SEASON TICKETS TO THE NEWARK BEARS FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS????? ANY TAKERS ON THAT? | ||
| mayhewdrive Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 679 Registered: 5-2001  |
suggestion - avoid typing in ALL CAPS....it really makes it hard to read (& netiquette says it means you are SHOUTING!) | ||
| Waldo Citizen Username: Discowaldo Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2003 |
I cant tell you how Seton Hall used to be I will take your word for that. But I do know that something students do not have is a car. Actually Freshman students living on campus are prohibited from having cars on campus. Parking has been an issue at Seton Hall for at least the last 3 years and since you are an Alumni I will assume that you know how much of the students are commuters. Therefore there are not many parking spaces available to the actual dormers at the school. The school houses thousands of students, how many have you seen out casuing a disturbance at bars and around town. How many students have you seen out at bars, possibly 10% of them, if that. That still leaves many students sitting around on campus looking for something to do. Not to mention that many students only go to bars because their friends are going and the only other option is to stay on campus. | ||
| M. Scott Citizen Username: Villageidiot Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2003 |
SORRY ABOUT THE ALL CAPSLOCK. MY LAPTOP IS STUCK IN CAPSLOCK SINCE I DROPPED IT A FEW WEEKS AGO, IT WORKS ON AND OFF AS YOU CAN SEE HALF THE POST WAS NORMAL TYPING AND HALF CAPSLOCK...MY HOME PC IS FINE I'LL TRY TO ONLY POST WITH THAT. | ||
| mayhewdrive Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 680 Registered: 5-2001 |
M. Scott - lol! (I thought you were just REALLY ANGRY)  | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 873 Registered: 4-2002 |
mhd: So did I. Waldo: Freshman might not be permitted to have a car on campus, but there ARE freshman with cars who live on campus and park elsewhere. The school was mostly a commuter school at one time, but I am pretty sure more than 50% of the student body now lives on campus. Many more live in town. The stuft shirt claimed their business took a significant drop when the drinking age changed from 18 to 21. Now we have the S. ORange Grille (back to what this thread was titled) and students have been looking for another place to drink (I am referring to the ones under 21). It would be great if the students used the stores/restaurants in the village without worrying about drinking. The increase in off campus partying is because of underage drinking, not because there are not enough places to go. The students who do not drink might go to places like the Dancing Goat and that is great. The village has jitneys. We are getting more (through grants) but they are expensive to run and to maintain. The village offered to let SHU participate but that means they would have to contribute to the cost. Maybe the students should pressure the administration to consider this option. They could increase the fees for students to park on campus to help subsidize the cost of a jitney. The village and the storeowners would welcome SHU students to the downtown and this would be a way without anyone having to worry about parking (or driving if they can drink). | ||
| joso Citizen Username: Joso Post Number: 149 Registered: 5-2001 |
Seton Halll students should be irrelevant in this discussion. If the owners has any brains they would tailor the look, ambiance, food and prices to the upscale family crowd that lives in this town and is desperate for a local place to dine and drink. Students can already hang out at Cryans, Bunny's, Gaslight, and if they have a little dough the Martini Bar. | ||
| Brett Citizen Username: Bmalibashksa Post Number: 558 Registered: 7-2003 |
From : http://domapp01.shu.edu/depts/affairs/Setonian.nsf/0/0AB914E6B79A8FB285256DFA005 0E5F5?OpenDocument The life of a SHU party animal "On Thursday night a.k.a. college night, there are tons of options. In downtown South Orange there a few mellow bars such as Cryans, Gaslight and Bunnies which often has live entertainment. I prefer the trendy South Orange Grille, and am excited it has re-opened, but with its recent closing, we opt to check out Jumbalayas, also known as Jumbies, a Mexican restaurant that doubles as a club catering to Seton Hall students on Thursday nights. Similar to Rock Bottom it's inexpensive and full of SHU partygoers." | ||
| Waldo Citizen Username: Discowaldo Post Number: 8 Registered: 12-2003 |
The cars parked on the street and elsewhere are usually commuters who can not find parking on campus (an issue that should be taken up with Seton Hall by both the students and the town), and dont forget there are many students who live in the area and also have Seton Hall parking stickers so their cars will be seen throughout the town. As far as I know the administration of SHU has not let the students know about these offers from the town. I am beginning to get the feeling that there is a large difference in what the Town says to the school and the school passes on to its students. I will have to look into this more because the Town is seen as "the enemy" through the eyes of the students, and I feel that this is due mostly to the way the school handles things. I'm sure the students would enjoy to do something in the town, and trust me they would definitly enjoy something that the school puts money into. They do pay a large sum every year and many of them are anxious to see some results. Thanx for the info | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 877 Registered: 4-2002 |
There are also cars without the stickers belonging to some students. And yes there are some commuters too that park all day long on some streets. The town, SHU and the students should work together. I don't think any should be viewed as the enemy. I would welcome having some students come to a meeting to discuss various issues. | ||
| M. Scott Citizen Username: Villageidiot Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2003 |
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME ANYONE WAS EVICTED FOR HAVING UNDERAGE DRINKING PARTIES...MY LEASE FORCES ME TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT THAT PUTS ME AT RISK TO LOOSING MY LEASE BY TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE IF I HAVE AN UNDERAGE DRINKING PARTY...HOW COME THIS ISN'T USED AGAINST THE FRATERNITY HOUSES???? | ||
| M. Scott Citizen Username: Villageidiot Post Number: 8 Registered: 12-2003 |
That was off the main topic...sorry for that one, but it's a valid question. I'm curious why with such outcry regarding the strained relationship between off campus students and residents, that the keg parties don't bring action in court. Handing out three or four tickets and taking a keg isn't real action. DID YOU ALL KNOW>>>> Some shore towns force the leasee and landlord to post a certificate of habitability within 3-5 feet of the front entry door and specficially state who resides within the residence on a yearly basis or when a new lease is signed. Just an idea BOT. | ||
| Waldo Citizen Username: Discowaldo Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2003 |
I beleive there was actually a group of students recently evicted from a house within the last semester. Also I do know that a number of the police officers are aware of the names of people on the lease that live in the houses where the most complaints come from, although a posted C of H would make it allot easier for them. And also when students do get tickets for noise or underage drinking Seton Hall is notified and does take disciplinary action including community service and threatening expulsion which actually does work to cut down on the partying. |
