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     CioBella Citizen Username: Ciobella Post Number: 32 Registered: 5-2003 |
I went to rite aid the other night and I can't believe the parking. You can not park anywhere. Papa John's workers take up all the spaces. Has anyone else experienced this problem? They park along SF Ave in the bump outs and you can't even get buy. Who can we call to complain about this???? | ||
| luv2cruise Citizen Username: Luv2cruise Post Number: 158 Registered: 12-2002 |
How do you know it's Papa John's workers? Do they have bumper stickers that read "I work at Papa Johns"??????? There's nothing like being on the ocean! | ||
| Morrisa da Silva Citizen Username: Mod Post Number: 26 Registered: 12-2003 |
No, they don't have bumper stickers but they do have papa john's on the cars. They are their delivery vehicles - all marked. And yes I have seen the abundance of vehicles as well. Besides parking in the rite aid lot they also park on springfield in front of rite-aid (a legal spot) and on Yale Street in front of the vacant gas station (a no stopping zone). Early evenings are problematic and they have been speeding down Yale Street as well. I too wonder who to complain to. Certainly, when Bob Mittermier okayed usage as just another retail establishment no inquiry was made about hours of operation and numbers of delivery vehicles and arrangements for parking. A take out restaurant which is set up for high volume delivery and extended hours is certainly not the same impact on the community as the housegoods store it replaced. This should have been reviewed by the planning board and not just o.k'd. If Papa John's monopolizes parking in that area, other businesses will be less likely to move in. Parking on Springfield is problematic as it is and too many delivery vehicles only exacerbates the problem. | ||
| mwsilva Citizen Username: Mwsilva Post Number: 388 Registered: 5-2002 |
Tonight, a Papa Johns delivery car came screaming out of an alley, crossed Springfield Avenue and went down Yale backwards, just as the light turned on Springfield Avenue. I almost hit the car. What are these people thinking? Why has the township allowed this? Jerry, Vic, where are you???? | ||
| Duncan Citizen Username: Duncanrogers Post Number: 1583 Registered: 12-2001  |
Uh.. the township did not allow that idiot to drive like an idiot. Take it up with Papa Johns. Do not let your dislike of the establishment taint a realistic problem with the way it does its business. Alls Well That Ends Well. Playing through March 7. info at http://www.hometown.aol.com/theatr1010/ | ||
| candy Citizen Username: Candy Post Number: 95 Registered: 8-2001 |
I have had lots of trouble parking for Rite Aide too. A Rite Aid employee told me Papa John's has taken over their lot, and they're not very pleased. It's pretty noticeable because the papa john pizza trash is strewn all over the place. Of course I guess Rite Aid could post signs in their lot.... but it probably wont do any good. They dont seem to take very good care of their property anyway. I just dont understand how the TC allowed this pizza chain to open in that spot. Sorta snuck right in there... While I was not a supporter of KFC moving in, I see no difference why this chain was allowed. We'll continue getting pizza from Pizza Primo. | ||
| Morrisa da Silva Citizen Username: Mod Post Number: 27 Registered: 12-2003 |
Duncan - It is more than just a bad driver and it is more than just a problem to take up with Papa John's. That may be a first neccessary step but this is an issue for TC and the Police and Springfield avenue partnership. We are spending alot of money to revitalize Springfield Avenue, working on a Master Plan and yet the town allows one individual wide latitude in interpreting statutes and deciding what is and what is not a conforming use. Why the hell do we have a zoning board? Remember, originally Mr. Mittermeier had told KFC they would be a conforming use. If Papa John's is being a bad neighbor by having their delivery cars park illegally and drive unsafely and leaving garbage strewn then yes we must first complain to them directly, but this is not the end of it. MW Silva- Since you almost hit that insane driver you should contact the TC and Police and ask that area be monitored as it is a public safety hazard. Yale street is residential, poorly lit and there will probably be an accident soon. I am concerned about the kids that play on that street once the warmer weather comes. I will be contacting Papa John's to complain about their delivery vehicles as well. But the larger issue is about our towns direction in defining conforming uses. All the bricks and bump outs in the world will not change Springfield Avenue if we have no one controlling the kinds of businesses opening there. | ||
| Duncan Citizen Username: Duncanrogers Post Number: 1585 Registered: 12-2001 |
Fine. I am all for addressing the larger issue. It just seemed disingenuous for you to complain about the driver of the delivery car and basically call for the business's head. Clearly you have an agenda here and used the incident as incitement, which is fine. Alls Well That Ends Well. Playing through March 7. info at http://www.hometown.aol.com/theatr1010/ | ||
| CioBella Citizen Username: Ciobella Post Number: 33 Registered: 5-2003 |
mwsilva I agree with you I saw the same thing yesterday afternoon the driver backed all the way on to yale backwards and then cut through the bank parking lot. Something should be done about this. There is gonna be a major accident on Springfield Avenue. | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 2025 Registered: 5-2001 |
I would get the license plate numbers of the cars when they are driving recklessly & file a complaint. Perhaps when the manager of Papa John's gets enough visits from MPD, he/she will become cognizant of advising employees on how they should behave. Also, if cars are parked illegally, call MPD and have them ticketed. Lord knows, we could use the revenue. If you see something, are in a position to be part of the solution, and do nothing except gripe about it, you are part of the problem. | ||
| cmontyburns Citizen Username: Cmontyburns Post Number: 8 Registered: 12-2003 |
Does someone know for sure that Papa Johns (and its customers) have no legal right to use that parking lot? And how exactly is reckless driving a zoning issue? | ||
| bobk Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 4790 Registered: 5-2001 |
Well the good news is that there are enough people frequenting SA around Prospect and Yale to bitch about the parking situation. Six months ago you had your choice of places to park within 25 feet of any establishment there.  | ||
| Morrisa da Silva Citizen Username: Mod Post Number: 28 Registered: 12-2003 |
Duncan - you are confusing me with mw Silva. We are not the same person. I did not post about the delivery car backing into Yale St. I posted about speeding which I have witnessed and about the monopolizing of parking as well as illegal parking. There are no hidden agendas here. Just issues being discussed. I believe that is what a message board is for. | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 2934 Registered: 10-1999  |
Bobk: I think a Yogi Berra line may apply to SA: "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded."  Oh, and Pizza Primo is the best! | ||
| Morrisa da Silva Citizen Username: Mod Post Number: 29 Registered: 12-2003 |
Greentree - you are absolutely correct. Cmontyburns - reckless driving isn't a zoning issue but a high volume delivery business with multiple delivery vehicles and extended hours is. | ||
| CioBella Citizen Username: Ciobella Post Number: 34 Registered: 5-2003 |
Where's thelight when you need him. | ||
| Joan Citizen Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 2532 Registered: 5-2001 |
The side of the parking lot nearest Rite Aid is posted "Parking for Rite Aid cusatomers only" The other side is not posted and it is possible that this parking lot is shared by both businesses. The parking issue with Papa John's goes far beyond their delivery vehicles parking throughout the lot and in nearby streets. Because Papa Johns has virtually no eat in space, patrons have taken to parking their cars in the Rite Aid lot and at surrounding curb spots and eatting their pizza in their cars before driving off. Clearly, this is not the type of business which will reduce the flow of traffic on SA. Does anyone know if Papa John's was granted any variances re: table seating, available parking, hours of operation and/or number of delivery vehicles? If not, a coordinated effort might get them fined for code infractions. | ||
| birdbrain Citizen Username: Birdbrain Post Number: 26 Registered: 2-2003 |
Why was Papa John's allowed in the first place? I wasn't necessarily in favor of KFC, but at the time is was sold as a "different" franchise/fast food establishment since it was going to be mostly eat-in diners, at least from the developers perspective. That got voted down, but then only a little later a store is allowed to open that is A) a national fast-food franchise, and B) has _zero_ seating. What's up with that? --- David Wren-Hardin amygdala17@yahoo.com Thousands of years ago the Egyptians worshipped cats as gods. Cats have never forgotten this. | ||
| e roberts Citizen Username: Wnwd00 Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2004 |
I was at Papa Johns the other night because well I like their pizza they are all over the place where i am from. Anyway it was about 930 pm and i had called in an order to pick up on my way home from work i found a legal parking spot on Springfield Ave got out and started to walk toward the store. Standing in front of the store doing nothing giving me the impression they were just going to start trouble was a group (i would say of 10) of young males just standing there. They stared at me going in and out. I have lived in NYC for several years however that moment was the first time in a long time that I actually thought i would get robbed or worse. I will not be making the mistake of going there again. If Maplewood isnt careful they are going to end up with another B. Hathway's on their hands. | ||
| mas Citizen Username: Maplemas Post Number: 86 Registered: 8-2003 |
Nohero, you are correct, sir! Papa John's doesn't even make a decent pizza. Didn't that zoning board do a taste test?????? |
