| Author | Message | ||
     ligeti Citizen Username: Ligeti Post Number: 89 Registered: 7-2002 |
What's with the commuting maniacs at Penn Station in the evenings? I see -- mostly men -- trampling over women and children, launching themselves like surface to air missles down the stairwells to get to their trains. For what? Just to get a stupid aisle or window seat? They twist and dart like rats on speed, and nothing gets in their way. It's repulsive. | ||
| clkelley Citizen Username: Clkelley Post Number: 172 Registered: 6-2002  |
Yeah, and once they get their nice seats they won't give them up to the people carrying babies, heavily pregnant women, small children who have a hard time standing up on a moving train, etc. "Animals" is the right word. "A&&#oles" would be another. | ||
| sullymw Citizen Username: Sullymw Post Number: 227 Registered: 5-2001 |
I have to agree. I am repulsed when I see men running, cutting, pushing etc for seats. This often occurs when the cars are still relatively empty. I always wonder why. Of course, I see women doing this too but I am not AS offended by that. It's 30 minutes to MW. If you can run and push, you can stand for 30 min. If you live farther west, you'll get a seat at MW anyway. I'm as tired as the next guy at the end of the day and I have creaky knees, but I don't have any issue with standing if I have to. Of course, there should be enough seats for everyone, but that's another issue  Could it be parental influence? I remember my dad would JUMP out of his seat on the subway to give his seat away to the first woman or child who was seatless....gosh, parents do have an influence | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 2842 Registered: 5-2001  |
I guess it's just a free for all for them. Picture it the opposite - all the guys letting "ladies go first". They'd all end up catching the last trains home. | ||
| mellie Citizen Username: Mellie Post Number: 422 Registered: 4-2002 |
funny, I see a lot of women dawdling in my way at Penn Station - could it be they are expecting me to give them a seat ? I work every bit as hard as they do and it's only 30 minutes to to Maplewood. Stop whining already and get out of my way. | ||
| bobk Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 4932 Registered: 5-2001 |
Years ago when I was in college I was on the subway with my folks. My Mom and a priest dove for the last remaining seat and both ended up on the floor after the collision. In commuting no quarter is asked or given. It is the law of the jungle. | ||
| ligeti Citizen Username: Ligeti Post Number: 90 Registered: 7-2002 |
Mellie - What a boob you are. And you don't realize it... | ||
| mellie Citizen Username: Mellie Post Number: 423 Registered: 4-2002 |
pehaps I should have said "black people" irony is dead after all keepin it real Ilegit, keepin it real | ||
| clkelley Citizen Username: Clkelley Post Number: 173 Registered: 6-2002 |
mellie, it's not really a male/female issue. Women & men can both run, and can both stand on the train. But if any able-bodied person (male or female) sees the following individuals unable to get a seat on the train, they should give their seat up: o A person holding an infant in arms o A heavily pregnant person (and at present that means just females - sorry) o A person with a handicap o A small child who may injure him or herself if forced to stand during a train journey o A person who is visibly ill If any able-bodied refuses to give a seat up to such people, he or she is without question an a&&#ole in my book. | ||
| mellie Citizen Username: Mellie Post Number: 425 Registered: 4-2002 |
all true, but not what ilegit was saying, which was gender sterotyping if ilegit had written...I see..mostly black people.. waht would you be saying balloon deflated...next | ||
| mfpark Citizen Username: Mfpark Post Number: 230 Registered: 9-2001 |
ligeti: As a small man, I have been muscled out, elbowed, and stomped on by as many women as men diving for the stairs/escalators. And I have not seen many of either gender rising to give up a seat to anyone, pregnant, disabled, or dead on their feet. Lay off the gender stereotyping (or was that your elbow I caught in my eye last night?) NJ Transit and Amtrak should also take some of your heat because, despite regular schedules, they cannot seem to get track assignments done sooner than 3 minutes before departure, which contributes to the general melee. | ||
| sullymw Citizen Username: Sullymw Post Number: 228 Registered: 5-2001 |
mfpark, I agree with your last sentence. however, i often seen rude behavior when there is no apparent rush....train is called 15 mins ahead and hundreds of seats....go figure | ||
| Dave Citizen Username: Dave Post Number: 6556 Registered: 4-1998  |
Go ride a subway in Tokyo or Beijing and get back to me about the utter sanity and good manners of Penn Station.  not an excuse for bad manners... just an observation | ||
| ligeti Citizen Username: Ligeti Post Number: 91 Registered: 7-2002 |
mfpark - I report from personal experience, not yours. And in my purview, the OVERWHELMING majority of pushy, frantic, wormy commuters are men. I suppose I wish this weren't true (I'm a man, after all), but I have NEVER once been shoved or elbowed by a woman trying to parachute her way down the stairwells to secure the life critical window seat on a near-empty train. They are tunnel-visioned, hyperventilating, type A men. They lack self-perception and civility. They probably chew with their mouths open, too. | ||
| Montagnard Citizen Username: Montagnard Post Number: 469 Registered: 6-2003 |
Well, if you're going to just stand there like some clueless gaijin, of course people are going to push around you. Penn Station is in a class of its own | ||
| sac Citizen Username: Sac Post Number: 1009 Registered: 5-2001 |
That's one of the nice things about Hoboken. For the most part, the trains are there and posted and you just walk up and get on. None of the mad crowd waiting for the track to be posted and then running for the gates. I know that the logistics are different at Penn Station but it seems that they could at least post the tracks a bit sooner. | ||
| ligeti Citizen Username: Ligeti Post Number: 92 Registered: 7-2002 |
Montagnard - No need to worry about me...the drips that dare to push or shove me end up regretting it, and slink off into a corner somewhere to lick their wounds (Mellie - I'm looking for you). I'm talking primarily about how these turds stomp all over women, senior citizens and children to get to the train 10 seconds quicker. And -- yes -- tonight (6:16 Midtown Direct): I'm sitting on the aisle of a 3 seater, the window occupied by some geek with all his multi-media applications running (laptop, cellphone, Palm). Train is mostly packed, a woman with two small children comes along, motions her daughter to sit in the middle seat. I gladly give my seat to her and her daughter so they can sit together, which leaves the other older daughter (I'm guessing 4 or 5 years old) odd "girl" out. The creep in the window seat immediately recognizes the situation (and solution)and twists his body (and all his equipment)towards the window as if to pretend he doesn't see these people. If my mother were present, she would have spanked the living daylights out of this creep. | ||
| algebra2 Citizen Username: Algebra2 Post Number: 1695 Registered: 5-2001  |
I'm a woman and nobody has ever stomped all over me. My husband is a man and is the first to give up his seat to any woman, child, or the elderly. Penn Station is crowded at rush hour, if you're worried about getting pushed around wait for your train in the first mail level rotunda where the Amtrak information booth is. This spot gives you easy access to tacks 1 - 4 which is where I find the 5:20 and 5:47 are most often called. | ||
| akb Citizen Username: Akb Post Number: 163 Registered: 12-2001 |
I was pushed down the stairs at Penn Station when 8 mos pregnant by Midtown Express commuters. It disgusts me the way people run for the tea-time trains, especially given that almost all commuters who are there when the train is called will get seats on the 5.47 and 6.17. It adds significantly to the stress of the day and leaves a very sour taste in one's mouth. I agree that NJT could give more notice but the issue of personal responsibility is far greater. If each and every one of us acts in a civilised fashion and calls rude or aggressive commuters on their behaviour, we could have a more pleasant commuting environment. | ||
| crabbyappleton Citizen Username: Crabbyappleton Post Number: 15 Registered: 1-2004 |
whenever i point out rude behavior, and i do try to be polite about it, i get spit on. |
