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tom
Citizen Username: Tom
Post Number: 1575 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 10:56 am: |
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This seems apt, in the context of the armed forces, as well as in the spirit of bipartisanship: http://clinton.senate.gov/~clinton/news/2003/2003B21B01.html Sorry, had to look it up, don't keep all this in my head. |
   
strawberry
Citizen Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1492 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 11:37 am: |
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thank You Tom, That bill should help out the less then 1% of military widows who choose to re-marry after the age of 57. That bill isn't bad, but let's be honest, how does it help New York?
"That moment has directly affected my foreign policy. See, it changed the nature of the presidency. It changed the security arrangements of the United States of America. I vowed to the American people I would never forget the lessons of September the 11th, 2001." --President George W. Bush
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llama
Citizen Username: Llama
Post Number: 362 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 5:09 pm: |
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Aside from whether the motives were genuine, it really was a no-brainer thing to do to score some good PR. But those poor troops would have even cheered for Michael Jackson if he were to have shown up in Baghdad, but that would not have had the same political effect as those carefully planned photo ops of Bush carrying the turkey. At least he toned down his costume and learned not to hang any signs this time around! |
   
strawberry
Citizen Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1495 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 5:34 pm: |
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boring "That moment has directly affected my foreign policy. See, it changed the nature of the presidency. It changed the security arrangements of the United States of America. I vowed to the American people I would never forget the lessons of September the 11th, 2001." --President George W. Bush
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llama
Citizen Username: Llama
Post Number: 363 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 5:41 pm: |
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What's boring is your repeated display of the mental impairment you exhibit in your posts, and seeing your blind ignorance over and over. |
   
strawberry
Citizen Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1496 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 6:11 pm: |
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yawn "That moment has directly affected my foreign policy. See, it changed the nature of the presidency. It changed the security arrangements of the United States of America. I vowed to the American people I would never forget the lessons of September the 11th, 2001." --President George W. Bush
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Ukealalio
Citizen Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 215 Registered: 6-2003
| Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 7:35 pm: |
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Straw, You can spin your facts any way you'd like to make W look like a champ, I still don't buy it. I know all about Yale and Harvard, wonder how he made it in to those establishments? (I'm sure it had NOTHING to do with Big Daddies money and connections). I know he was sworn into the Natl Guard but he also went AWOL during his term (but then again thats what a spoiled, rich, frat boys supposed to do). Yes W's dad was a war hero, I respect him for that (but don't like his politics). Clinton had no such luck, he came from a broken home and pulled himself up from nothing to being a Rhodes Scholar and then the President of the U.S. (elected 2 terms and if it was possible would have opened a can of whoop ass on W for a 3rd- despite the empty impeachment). I really don't care to study W because I don't believe there's much there. Try as you may, your not gonna turn this sows ear into a silk purse. |
   
strawberry
Citizen Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1497 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 8:57 pm: |
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Yeah, sure Ukealalio: Thought you were smarter than the rest, you know the folks who keep claiming this urban myth that Bush went AWOL is true. It's a bunch of b.s. He served in Texas before being restationed in Alabama so he could work as a paid political director for the Senate campaign of former U.S. Postmaster General Winston Blount. He was supposed to serve until May of 74, but because he was accepted to Harvard ( by the way a shock to his Dad, because W never told him he applied) he was permitted to leave early so he could begin fall classes in 73..In others words you've been taken advantage of with false facts. Now you know better. I'm so sick of liberal crap that claims Bush's family got him into Yale, and Harvard and the National Guard and the oil business and Major League Baseball and the Governor's office and the White House. Only a fool thinks this is how it all works. "being There" with Peter Sellers was only a movie, those things really don't happen. Bush has always been a winner, and his term in office so far has proven he's a man of action, who isn't afraid to make tough decisions. As far as Clinton is concerned. He's a success story no doubt, but history is already making it clear he was a weak President. he did nothing to fight terror or Al Qaeda despite WTC 93 and the U.S.S. Cole. He did nothing to prevent the economy from crashing down, instead choosing to sit idle while Americans lost billions under his watch. I'll take Bush you can have the pervert.
"That moment has directly affected my foreign policy. See, it changed the nature of the presidency. It changed the security arrangements of the United States of America. I vowed to the American people I would never forget the lessons of September the 11th, 2001." --President George W. Bush
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Fruitcake
Citizen Username: Fruitcake
Post Number: 45 Registered: 9-2003
| Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 9:50 pm: |
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Strawberry, Do you really expect us to believe that George W. Bush got elected Governor of Texas on his own merits? Give us a big fat break. Earlier, you called Hillary a con artist and carpetbagger because she was opportunistic in getting elected to the senate. What did Dubya ever do to warrant being governor? What was his prior public service? He got elected because of his family’s name and political connections. Period. Even Dubya himself knows that. When it comes to political ambition, Dubya and Hillary are cut from the same cloth.
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NRL
Citizen Username: Nrl
Post Number: 344 Registered: 8-2003
| Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 8:51 am: |
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Straw, please clarify, why do you say Clinton is a success story, I dont understand. You and I both know it was all "Smoke and Mirrors". |
   
strawberry
Citizen Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1498 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 9:45 am: |
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NRL, Rags to riches story. The guy did come from nowhere to make something out of his life as did Ronald Reagan, for instance. However, that's where the comparison ends. Reagan was a fantastic President and Clinton, well let's just he was no Ronald Reagan. Fruitcake: Bush was asked in 90 to run by the Texas GOP but refused, citing he had little interest in entering the political arena. He was than approached again in 94, because the GOP needed a top candidate to over take the very popular and powerful Ann Richards. Bush was asked twice to run not because of his Father but because of his Conservative roots and deep planted roots in the west Texas oil field. You see, Texans were quite aware of how powerful and successful W had been over the years (in Texas).
"That moment has directly affected my foreign policy. See, it changed the nature of the presidency. It changed the security arrangements of the United States of America. I vowed to the American people I would never forget the lessons of September the 11th, 2001." --President George W. Bush
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tom
Citizen Username: Tom
Post Number: 1577 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 11:31 am: |
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With that post, we've officially gone through the looking glass, folks. Enjoy your stay. |
   
NRL
Citizen Username: Nrl
Post Number: 345 Registered: 8-2003
| Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 11:33 am: |
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Straw, Agreed, He did come up from nowhere to become who he was. Dick Morris's book paints a sleazy picture of Clinton even when he was back in Arkansas trying to move his way up. I guess no matter how you get there, you got there, slick willy or not.. |
   
Fruitcake
Citizen Username: Fruitcake
Post Number: 46 Registered: 9-2003
| Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 12:08 pm: |
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And how did Dubya get his deep roots in West Texas? Did he just happen to be the resident genius that the established business leaders couldn't resist? |
   
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen Username: Casey
Post Number: 313 Registered: 8-2003

| Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 12:36 pm: |
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George W. himself would acknowledge that his accomplishments in life have come after he turned 40. To say that W was a successful anything before he joined the Texas Rangers ownership group (a project his buddies bankrolled him on) is absolutely preposterous. He deserves credit as a shrewd and smart politician. But as a successful businessman? uh-uh. |
   
Robert Lilly
Citizen Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 160 Registered: 9-2003
| Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 12:44 pm: |
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Llama says, "What's boring is your repeated display of the mental impairment you exhibit in your posts, and seeing your blind ignorance over and over." Why do I get the distinct impression that if I said something along those very lines, I would be banned from further posts on MOL? |
   
Dave Ross
Supporter Username: Dave
Post Number: 5767 Registered: 4-1998

| Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 12:54 pm: |
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What did you do with Cliff Harris? |
   
lumpyhead
Citizen Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 541 Registered: 3-2002
| Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 12:55 pm: |
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So how did the troops greet Senator Clinton? Same as Madison Square Garden and will the boos be edited again? |
   
Robert Lilly
Citizen Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 161 Registered: 9-2003
| Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 1:09 pm: |
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What’s the difference between George Bush and Saddam Hussein? George Bush has actually been seen in Baghdad in the last five and one-half months. I look for Bush haters to increasingly refer to Bush's visit as a photo op or a stunt, when in fact it was pure and simple a wonderful gesture to our troops. I also expect more stories about disgruntled reporters who didn't get to go on the trip. The New York Times and CNN have been whining about being left behind. Incredibly, the New York Times argued that their reporters are quite capable of keeping a secret, and the press pool should have been expanded. But wasn't it the Times that first printed those classified Pentagon papers when America was at war in Vietnam? Yeah ... this is the crowd you want in on a secret like this. What do you want to bet that some Democrats step forward in the near future to ask President Bush to pledge not to use any video of this event in Baghdad in political advertising. And please tell me with a straight face that Hillary didn't have a campaign video crew with her on her visit? And speaking of Hillary, Hillary doesn't like being upstaged. While dining with our troops, Hillary told them that there were "many questions at home about the administration's policies." Translation: "There are many questions at home about the actions of your Commander in Chief." Now it's one thing to question administration policies in a political setting. It's quite another for a politician to go before troops in a war zone and raise doubts about their mission and the actions of their commanding officer. This is typical Hillary Clinton. This is a woman who never expressed anything but complete disdain for any man or woman in uniform until, that is, it became politically expedient to become their proud supporter. In closing let me say that I am pleased that Hillary went to visit our troops, but I am even more grateful that our president did as well. I wonder whose presence meant more to the troops? |
   
cjc
Citizen Username: Cjc
Post Number: 493 Registered: 8-2003
| Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 1:37 pm: |
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Why didn't Hillary - in an effort to show what true foreign policy success looks like -- visit Kosovo? It's hardly a peaceful area, and she doubtless would be cited for her bravery. She could have chided the lack of UN involvement in providing an effective transition to elective government. Except that might be complicated by the fact that the UN runs Kosovo, and now has it's hands full by not allowing ethnic groups there to slaughter each other. Or Bosnia -- where troops were told they'd be home by Christmas back in 1995. I'm sure she would have gotten a comparable reception from the troops there that Bush received. Sorry to all who hate it when I bring up these foreign policy adventures, though I'm not sure why because you must be proud of these unmitigated successes. |