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     Tom Reingold the prissy-pants Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 1227 Registered: 1-2003  |
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=676&e=11&u=/usatoday/12043608 Tom Reingold There is nothing | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 497 Registered: 8-2003 |
The left has always had their voice in major broadcast TV networks and the newspapers (I'm talking about editorial content winding up in news stories on the front page). It's just not selling now, nor has it been for a while as you see TV audiences shrinking and at best flat newspaper circulations. All this activity is interesting against a backdrop of people supposedly being cowed by a wartime president. As for talk radio, so far I've seen liberals buying stations rather than having the programming and talent garner audiences sheerly by virtue of attracting people to it as was done with talk radio as we know it today. Looks like NPR with an eye towards selling ads. The demand side isn't there for liberal talk radio. Not that that was the model for conservative talk -- for it to be conservative per se -- but there was a built-in market for conservative talk because the rest of the media was biased to the left. That fueled part of it's rise, but by no means all of it. There's a little thing called talent -- and many untalented conservative radio hosts have fallen by the wayside. | ||
| Tom Reingold the prissy-pants Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 1228 Registered: 1-2003 |
Actually, I disagree that mainstream media are left-slanted. True, journalists tend to be leftists, but editors and publishers tend to be right-slanted, and the result is fairly balanced. I think the reason the leftists don't "sell" as well is that the rightwing radio hosts etc. appeal to base emotions such as hate and fear. The leftists are generally more intellectual, which makes people's brains hurt. Substance is more boring and requires an attention span. Tom Reingold There is nothing | ||
| strawberry Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 1500 Registered: 10-2001 |
left winged radio hosts don't sell because most Americans don't care to hear pissing and moaning on a daily basis. "That moment has directly affected my foreign policy. See, it changed the nature of the presidency. It changed the security arrangements of the United States of America. I vowed to the American people I would never forget the lessons of September the 11th, 2001." --President George W. Bush | ||
| algebra2 Citizen Username: Algebra2 Post Number: 1455 Registered: 5-2001  |
I hear pissing and moaning on a daily basis -- you just learn to tune it out.  | ||
| Kenney Citizen Username: Kenney Post Number: 120 Registered: 11-2003 |
Tom and Straw, funny comments(I assume you both were being funny) to all my thoughts, add to the end: or not. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1583 Registered: 5-2001 |
I thought that's what Rush and O'Reilly did all day -- piss and moan -- about liberals. Do they have a positive message after all? Conservatism's start is descending. Watch for Tom D. to blow the opportunity that the convention in NYC offers, Bush to melt down in the debates (unless he chickens out). Word for the day: hubris | ||
| Kenney Citizen Username: Kenney Post Number: 122 Registered: 11-2003 |
another angry donkey... to all my thoughts, add to the end: or not. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1587 Registered: 5-2001 |
love this, from Rush's own site today:
There. Hypocrisy has been defined out of existence.
Brilliant. He's not a hypocrite because if he was he wouldn't be able to be one. I think. The whole thing is a bit tautological. What does this have to do with pissing and moaning? Right smack in the middle of this whole deal about his drug use is:
THIS IS THE BEST. WHATEVER happens bad IT HAS TO DO WITH CLINTON! The guy's a genius. [read it here] | ||
| strawberry Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 1502 Registered: 10-2001 |
The bottom line is whatever problems Rush has, they pale in comparison to the President of the United States having sex with an intern in the oval office and than lying to a nation about it. Rush is NOT an elected official. He's an entertainer just like Howard Stern and Imus and Mike and the Mad dog. There's a serious difference. "That moment has directly affected my foreign policy. See, it changed the nature of the presidency. It changed the security arrangements of the United States of America. I vowed to the American people I would never forget the lessons of September the 11th, 2001." --President George W. Bush | ||
| Tom Reingold the prissy-pants Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 1229 Registered: 1-2003 |
tom, I take that quote of Rush's to mean that if he admitted being a hypocrit, he'd give up the stage for saying what's right and wrong about what others say. He has a point there, though it doesn't make him look any better. Tom Reingold There is nothing | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1589 Registered: 5-2001 |
but then he turns it around and uses it as proof that he's not. Circular logic. | ||
| Tom Reingold the prissy-pants Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 1232 Registered: 1-2003 |
He really does know what he's doing. His fans need someone to admire. He shouldn't let them down. It's not about building character, it's about faith in their object of admiration. Tom Reingold There is nothing | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 499 Registered: 8-2003 |
Tom -- liberals aren't intellectual by a long shot. All you have to do is care and not worry about the efficacy of your policies. The Great Society, Social Security, the Medicare cost explosion -- they're collapsing. Liberals never wanted to give away the secret of what actually is a spending 'cut' in DC -- conservatives did that. Liberals never want to talk about tax policy as a means of revenue for the Treasury and maximizing returns -- they link it to spending (which is an entirely different discipline) and social engineering winners and losers -- but they can't intellectually and HONESTLY say what they're doing because they lose elections every time they do. You can't delve into specifics when your equation is 2+2=5. Anyone can see that doesn't make sense or violates American principles -- whether you're from a failed public school or a private one that all the elites send their kids to. Hate and fear? Gephardt is peddling fear right now in that we haven't financed Homeland Security enough. Hate? That's what class envy is based in. Intellectual? What's the Dem fix for Medicare and Social Security -- just spend MORE and 'save it.' Wait....too fast for me...so a little slower. As for optimism -- conservatives regularly trumpet the abilities and accomplishments of individual citizens, overcoming great odds without demanding someone else pay for their situation (read: govt). Dems use group politics with a heavy dose of victimology. Fear? What else is Global Warming/Sky is Falling? As for Rush Limbaugh being a hypocrit, he'd have to come out and renounce everything he said and stood for on the drug issue and what is right and wrong. He'd have to blame society, or racism, or someone or something else and absolve himself of responsibility like........some people have in much higher positions of power (we'll leave it at that). He'd have to say whatever the courts say is his punishment is unfair. He hasn't done that. When he does, you'll have a case. Until then, you can only hope he does and that things go badly for him (see: category of 'hate'). | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 2496 Registered: 10-1999  |
There's only one reason why conservative radio succeeds, and liberal radio won't - the ratings are driven by angry listeners. Conservatives want to listen to someone who agrees with them, and then they get angry at whoever the host is attacking. Liberals are only happy if they can get angry at someone who disagrees with them, and so don't want to listen to someone they already agree with. You know I'm right about this one ... | ||
| strawberry Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 1509 Registered: 10-2001 |
People don't want to hear pissing and moaning. That's why liberal talk radio fails. "That moment has directly affected my foreign policy. See, it changed the nature of the presidency. It changed the security arrangements of the United States of America. I vowed to the American people I would never forget the lessons of September the 11th, 2001." --President George W. Bush | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 500 Registered: 8-2003 |
Nohero....conservatives' ire is there before some host brings up anyone specifically. And conservative hosts get disagreed with by their listeners all the time. Liberal radio fails because it's ideology has failed everywhere it's practised. Conservatives see the glass as half full, liberals as half empty -- so who's angry? And dems didn't know Gore was the VP until he ran for president. But that's not a bad thing...liberals need an uninformed following to succeed. Just look at the black 90% lock-step following of a party that promises to fix things and they're still miserable year after year after year. ....go on the streets of NY and ask man on the street questions. You know I'm right about this one. If you don't get there much -- go to Newark. | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 316 Registered: 8-2003  |
and,
who's angry? conservatives. you said so yourself three sentences earlier. (sometimes I think you guys don't even listen to your own arguments) | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 503 Registered: 8-2003 |
You're right. Should have said 'consternation.' Sorry -- my ears are still ringing from the Hate Bush Rally. | ||
| Tom Reingold the prissy-pants Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 1247 Registered: 1-2003 |
My ideology is bigger than yours. Nyah nyah nyah. So there. Tom Reingold There is nothing |
