| Author | Message | ||
     1-2many Citizen Username: Wbg69 Post Number: 665 Registered: 6-2002 |
I can't get the info referrd to, that is supposed to say 3 of this gang lived in M/SO. I would be interested to know their ages, since so much energy is directed at whether CHS is infected with gangs. I find it interesting that on one of the links provided, www.njsp.org, the hyperlink headline is: "August 27, 2003: Statewide Crime Down Four Percent - Bias Crime Dips 23 Percent" (2002 from 2001) | ||
| Diversity Man Citizen Username: Deadwhitemale Post Number: 534 Registered: 5-2001 |
What is that mother's explanation for her daughter chosen lifestyle? DWM | ||
| marie Citizen Username: Marie Post Number: 941 Registered: 6-2001 |
Conrad Campbell age 39 600 Irvington Avenue, Maplewood, NJ Charged via State Grand Jury Conspiracy Doran Folks a/k/a Michael Cross Breed a/k/a Crossbreed a/k/a Washie 34 164 S. Ridgewood Avenue, S.O. Alleged associate to Monnet and The Champagne Posse. Charged with large scale distribution of marajuana. Dannever Laifor 29 Schaeffer Road, Maplewood Indictment with Conspiracy | ||
| marie Citizen Username: Marie Post Number: 942 Registered: 6-2001 |
Conrad Campbell age 39 600 Irvington Avenue, Maplewood, NJ Charged via State Grand Jury Conspiracy Doran Folks a/k/a Michael Cross Breed a/k/a Crossbreed a/k/a Washie 34 164 S. Ridgewood Avenue, S.O. Alleged associate to Monnet and The Champagne Posse. Charged with large scale distribution of marajuana. Dannever Laifor 29 Schaeffer Road, Maplewood Indictment with Conspiracy | ||
| marie Citizen Username: Marie Post Number: 943 Registered: 6-2001 |
Stafford Folks S.O. 32 Arrested Aug 11th Terrence Folks S.O. 27 Arrested August 11th | ||
| Dave Ross Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 5815 Registered: 4-1998  |
Them's bad Folks. | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 2521 Registered: 10-1999  |
But kinda old for high school ... | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 2522 Registered: 10-1999 |
But, seriously ... Nobody has said that there are not criminals within the borders of the town. Our law enforcement officials have told us, at community gatherings, about the people mentioned above. That does not mean that every incident involving high-school age kids, is connected to the criminal gang elements those low-lifes represent. Why not be a "glass half full" person, instead of "glass half empty"? We have a good town, where the police are chasing down, and closing down, these characters. | ||
| michael Citizen Username: Michael Post Number: 426 Registered: 1-2002 |
Have no fear ! We pay for a Ministry of Propaganda. They will take care of it all! Support the Maplewood/South Orange Ministry of Propaganda (formerly known as the CCR) | ||
| tjohn Citizen Username: Tjohn Post Number: 1925 Registered: 12-2001  |
Michael, Exactly what is it about the CCR that has driven you to the point of needing therapy? Would it be better if the CCR stood around and talked incessantly about how bad things are? I have the vague notion that a goal of the CCR is to prevent a rapid tipping of Maplewood from white to black as sometimes happens in communities once the number of black residents reaches a certain point. What is wrong with that goal? Certainly no resident of Maplewood would benefit a "tipping" of the town. | ||
| marie Citizen Username: Marie Post Number: 945 Registered: 6-2001 |
I beg to differ Nohero - lot's of people have said gangs and gang members didn't exist in Maplewood and you were one of them. Our law enforcement officials did NOT tell us about the people above. They told us there are currently seven gang members living in Maplewood. This number does not include the five individuals mentioned above. No one mentioned high school kids in the attack on the MMS student. You in your usual fashion jumped to the defensive mode and made that assumption, that is, unless you know something we don't about the perpetrators of this crime. Yes our law enforcement officials are doing all they can to track down these lowlifes, however as you heard them say, they can't do the job alone. They need help from the community. The majority of the community is still in denial that the problem exists within our walls. The "It" can't happen here, "It's" not happening here - when "It's" happened here, it's not as bad as it appears mentality is why I'm tending to see this one as a glass half empty scenario. When I see you speak at a BOE meeting demanding more security officers and a metal detector at CHS, I might change my outlook. | ||
| Duncan Citizen Username: Duncanrogers Post Number: 1252 Registered: 12-2001  |
Marie.. I dont think any one is disputing your rather fervent contention that gangs exist in and around maplewood. What people are taking issue with is the fear mongering you seem to be engaging in. As I said its a fine line between diligence and hysteria. While taking precautions is sensible, "keeping your children out of the park at night" is not. "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" Wayne Gretzky | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 2523 Registered: 10-1999 |
Please do not accuse me of saying something which I did not say. I did not say, "Gang members don't exist in Maplewood." And this is the thread about the attack in the park. So, please don't say, "You in your usual fashion jumped to the defensive mode and made that assumption" that your mention of gang members was related to that incident. You brought it up. The real issue is getting lost, amidst people trying to establish that they're right, and everyone else is wrong. Reading all of these threads, there is common ground here, in that everyone wants to contribute to the effort to make this a safer community. | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 331 Registered: 8-2003  |
"metal detectors in CHS"??? perhaps the worst, most unworkable idea in the pantheon of bad ideas espoused on MOL. Do we also intend to allow access/egress through only one guarded entrance and make all other doors alarmed fire doors? (gee, think the CHS kids won't have a field day opening them and setting off false alarms?) And seal all the windows? And prohibit outdoor gym classes and band practice? Or are we going to get metal detectors and security guards for every door? (That will make parents want to send their kids to CHS - make it feel like going to prison every day. Or even better, make it feel like going through airport security every day.) Without doing all those things to completely seal the campus, metal detectors would be entirely useless in the face of someone who was determined to sneak a weapon past security. | ||
| 1-2many Citizen Username: Wbg69 Post Number: 667 Registered: 6-2002 |
the MW glass ain't just half full either. it's more like 99.3% full. and getting fuller all the time. | ||
| Marvin Gardens Citizen Username: Marvin_gardens Post Number: 28 Registered: 11-2003  |
It's definitely full of something... _______________ Do Not Pass Go | ||
| marie Citizen Username: Marie Post Number: 948 Registered: 6-2001 |
There are some problem kids, but not the "real thing" gangs. You said it, Nohero. You can't possibly make this a safer community when Bobk thinks gang inititions are urban myths fueld by hormonal teenagers looking for a good time, or 1-2many and jfburch believe that the district's Diversity Report is going to help explain why we have gang members living in our community. Doctor O'Boogie, As usual, your diagnosis is incorrect. A metal detector sends the message that we are serious about keeping weapons out of the school. It would be posted at the front door. All other doors would have guards posted at them. Students would only be allowed to enter and exit the building through the main entrance. There is video-surveillance in the school. Hence, fire alarm pullers can be apprehended. I'm sure other schools who have implemented successful metal detector programs have the answers to these and all your questions. Not all parents see this as a "prison scenario." For some parents its just another safety net like: security guards, video surveillance and a gang officers that already exist at the school. Just like stitches doctor, they can always be removed. | ||
| marie Citizen Username: Marie Post Number: 949 Registered: 6-2001 |
MarvinGardens -  | ||
| ashear Citizen Username: Ashear Post Number: 821 Registered: 5-2001 |
As Barry Glassner notes in his book "The Culture of Fear: Why Americans are afraid of the wrong things" the American public thought crime rates were rising in the 90s even as they fell. Perceptions and realty are not always related. The facts, i.e. crime stats, seem to say this is a very safe town. I agree with Duncan that we have to be aware of the line been dilligence and hysteria. Metal detectors in the schools and keeping your kids locked in the house at night don't seem to be justified by the facts. The fact that people arrested as part of a drug ring listed Mwood or SO as their home address does not mean that they commited crimes here, or even that they actually lived here. (People who are arrested often give false or outdated info as to their residence.) Let's support our police and help them by being aware of going on in our neighborhoods without going off the deep end. | ||
| bobk Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 3988 Registered: 5-2001 |
I am really trying to get the connection between the Champagne Posse, an adult drug gang and what happened in the Park. Can someone enlighten me? I really don't know what happened just before Thanksgiving. However, the multiple stories and basic information seems to be more a case of poor impulse control among people who know each other than gang warfare. |
