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Soda
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Username: Soda

Post Number: 2084
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 - 5:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm proud to be a citizen of of the Republic of MOL.


-s.
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Straw's world
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Username: Strawberry

Post Number: 4094
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 - 5:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The People's Republic of MOL.

Might as well call it what it is.
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Debby
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Username: Debby

Post Number: 1394
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 - 6:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"My kids' classes this year are learning about Channukah, Christmas, and Ramadan. "

I always wondered about that when I lived in town. Isn't Ramadan (a holy month marked by all-day fasts) really analogous to Lent? It's hardly a celebration like Christmas or Chanukah. I suppose some years it falls around the same time as the others, but it is not similar in any other way.

Perhaps Id al-fitr would be more appropriate?

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Lydia
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Username: Lydial

Post Number: 788
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 - 9:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Festivus anyone?

BTW - I'm not ashamed to live in Maplewood/SO, I like their moxie.

The BOE's motives are well-intentioned but I think it's throwing the (itty-bitty) baby (from Bethlehem) out with the bath water.
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Innisowen
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Username: Innisowen

Post Number: 304
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It seems as though the education bureaucrats (who probably could never be credited with one iota of an original thought) have decided to adhere to the letter of the law and local regulations, even if the literal interpretation were never intended. It puts Maplewood/South Orange into a laughingstock, but that will be forgotten when the next well-intentioned ED bureaucrat does the same thing in Oregon, California, Washington State or elsewhere.
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fringe
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Username: Fringe

Post Number: 650
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, December 9, 2004 - 8:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why should South Orangians be embarrassed, I don't see/hear the name of that town very often in the news stories at issue.
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extuscan
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Username: Extuscan

Post Number: 381
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Thursday, December 9, 2004 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

themp: you said: "Weather Underground meeting in the public library has been cancelled, by the way"

Oh baby you don't know how close to home you cut it with that one! Mark Rudd went to COLUMBIA HIGH SCHOOL!

Or maybe you did know that, but everyone else needed to be let in on your joke.

John
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bobk
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Username: Bobk

Post Number: 6945
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, December 9, 2004 - 12:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ex, is he in the Hall of Fame? :-)
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extuscan
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Username: Extuscan

Post Number: 382
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Thursday, December 9, 2004 - 3:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have this hunch you don't believe me! Look it up yourself...

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Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider

Post Number: 4697
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Thursday, December 9, 2004 - 5:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If enough people talk about the music ban as if it's an attempt to wipe religion out of schools, I might flop over to the other side and start favoring the ban.

Students do not have a right to promote religion in schools.

I oppose the ban not because I want to promote or preserve religion. I oppose it because it is a disservice to music education. I believe there is a way to teach religious music without it being a religious celebration. Those who don't see how to do that have a thing or two to learn about music and about education.

The right to be free from religion trumps the right to have your religion in school.

I'm not embarrassed to live here. At least not yet. To people with a shallow view of this debate, we look silly. I think lots of good points have been raised, from many viewpoints. I can't care enough to help those who have shallow views from afar.
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Soda
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Username: Soda

Post Number: 2089
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Thursday, December 9, 2004 - 9:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

He lived on the S/W corner of Maplewood & Jefferson, I believe.

-s.

BTW: Tucker: South Orangians? South Orangites? South Oranginos? South Orangese?
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cjc
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Username: Cjc

Post Number: 2890
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Thursday, December 9, 2004 - 9:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm not embarrassed. I find telling people where I live now is a great ice-breaker.
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mtierney
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Username: Mtierney

Post Number: 686
Registered: 3-2001
Posted on Thursday, December 9, 2004 - 9:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Before Midtown Direct and the arrival of hordes of the well-heeled, Maplewood had a Center on Maplewod Avenue and thus was referred to as Maplewood Center.

Maplewood folks are still, I believe, referred to as Maplewoodians.

People living in South Orange were always called Villagers.

But, now we have a village in Maplewood and a village in South Orange! Who was it that said "it takes a village?" the Chamber of Comerce, of course.
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musicme
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Username: Musicme

Post Number: 904
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 8:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nobody expects The Spanish Inquisition!
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bottomline
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Username: Bottomline

Post Number: 138
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've had friends and acquaintances from all around NY and NJ ask me about this situation, usually with mild derision in their voices. I’m not embarrassed to live in Maplewood but I am embarrassed to have a board and administration that put forth such a mindless policy.

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Michael Janay
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Username: Childprotect

Post Number: 1360
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 1:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why couldn't we not offend anyone by having a concert where ALL faths are represented in song.

Songs from all over the world, from all different faiths (like those represented in the school). I know it sounds impossible, after all there are so many different faiths, holidays, and views. But I truly believe that no one will be offended if a serious effort is made to be inclusive, not to just tack on Dreidel dreidel dreidel. There are beautiful songs from all over the world that celebrate different festivals, cultures, and religions.

Christmas, Hannukah, Kwanzaa, Ramadan, Festivus, Atheism, Wicca, paganism, etc.

Lets celebrate diversity and not offend anyone by exposing our kids and community to MORE songs, more culture, more diversity. Not by banning them.
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Ily
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Username: Ily

Post Number: 142
Registered: 7-2004


Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 5:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Michael,
I'm frustrated by your suggestion because it seems so simple: containing compromise, inclusivness and good will. Due to lazyness, ignorance, intolerance, close mindedness, and who knows what else, the BOE has closed the subject. Are these are the qualitites we want in the people responsible for teaching our children?
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Montagnard
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Username: Montagnard

Post Number: 1349
Registered: 6-2003


Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 11:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't feel embarassed, but I certainly look forward to the next School Board election.
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tjohn
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Username: Tjohn

Post Number: 2781
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 5:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Michael is right. The school board is wrong. I can see where you wouldn't want to force students to sing songs of other faiths in the mandatory classroom setting. But why can't a voluntary choir or ensemble chose from the full range of music from many cultures and faiths.
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bobk
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Username: Bobk

Post Number: 6975
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 5:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Michael, what you suggest is what the schools did for many years.

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