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     CageyD Citizen Username: Cageyd Post Number: 199 Registered: 6-2003 |
Compassionate conservative - really? what is possibly the largest natural disaster in the history of the world with tens of thousand dead, even more homeless and injured, economic foundations of entire districts ruined - what is the initial response of the US govt???? $15 million - What?!?! Japan gave $20 million, Australia -whose economy is no where near ours gave more than $7 million. The richest most powerful country and what do we give - I bet the GOP Inaugural will cost more than $15 million. And if that wasn't bad enough - idiot Bush seems to have forgotten - if he ever knew - that Indonesia and other countries impacted by this tragedy are some of the largest breeding grounds for Islamic radicals. Gee, imagine the response to Islamic radicals trying to recruit for their anti-American cause if the people in these countries had received real, signifiucant and genuine aid from the USA. It just might get them to say no to terrorism. No , instead they are going to hear how we gave an insignificant amount as they suffered. I am just so angry and frightened and embarrased to be an American. Oh, after the UN embarrassed the USA re: the size of their contribution we agreed to up it some, I think to 30 million. One side bar, looking at the Times it was quite a dichotomy to see the pictures of destruction on page one above an article of how the Wall Street biggies are receiving bonuses of up to $20 million this year and how they are buying huge homes and cars with their gluttonous wealth, and thousands are suffering - Yeah, I feel so proud to be an American. My rant is over. | ||
| Mustt_mustt Citizen Username: Mustt_mustt Post Number: 178 Registered: 8-2003 |
Good rant that was! | ||
| Reflective Citizen Username: Reflective Post Number: 632 Registered: 3-2003 |
I am beginning to believe that there really must be Post Election Liberal Stress Syndrome. Leave it to CageyD to shoot from the hip with spin. $15 million, 30 million is just the tip of the iceberg. Let me tell you why. After senior UN officials milked the Oil for Food program for billions, there is no appetite to give those same scam mongers more pocket money. The real relief has begun with little fanfare with four C130's making continuous round trip to devasted areas with water purification equipment, food, clothes, ect. That will continue and increase. That won't get much publicity and won't count in the UN $. Good! In addition, US faith-based and secular organizations are already arriving on the scene and beginning their relief efforts. That will continue and increase expedentially. You won't find their dollars (from contributions from US Citizens) getting into the fat cat UN crooked elitist pockets. CageyD - send the UN $100 to help. Make the check payable to Kofi Amman. Somehow, I doubt if you contribute anything to any group. Sad to see someone politicize the worse human natural tragedy in my lifetime. | ||
| CageyD Citizen Username: Cageyd Post Number: 200 Registered: 6-2003 |
RE: oil for food. It is interesting how the US in their constant criticism of the program fails to mention that they were one of the few countries on the board which was reponsible for the oil for food program's oversight. For years and years our Gov't representatives were asleep at the wheel while the corruption took place. (Before you take the splinter out of a neighbor's eye remove the log from you own) Faith based organizations that's how we help a world in crisis - what does that mean. Have some soup while we tell you about Jesus? Great, that's just the type of representation and help I want my name associated with. 4 planes with supplies, gee with hundreds of thousands suffering 4 planes will do nothing. Face it this is a disgrace, from a humanitarian perspective and from a strategic one. When the dust has settled and intelligence agents are working in Indonesia asking people for information on the local Islamic radical group (Al Jamiah I believe) or on Al Quedia do you think they will be so compelled to offer help to America after we gave so little to them. Three days after the event, I hear President Idiot will today finally make a comment about the tragedy - boy Georgie your compassion is overwhelming. He is a disgrace and is an embarrassment. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1808 Registered: 3-2004 |
CageyD: The death toll is 65,000 and is anticipated to be mounting to 100,000. I share your rage, and I share your rant. You said it all very well in my opinion. How can we say Bush cares if he won't even make a statement of condolence? As it has been said, the 35 million that we are sending is minimal when we are spending billions for the war. The latest on yahoo...that American scientists tried to warn Indonesian officials, but didn't know who to contact. What???!!!! | ||
| Cynicalgirl Citizen Username: Cynicalgirl Post Number: 1020 Registered: 9-2003  |
He's got a lot of brush to clear out at the ranch. Back 40 is WAY OVERGROWN... | ||
| Face Citizen Username: Face Post Number: 467 Registered: 5-2001  |
You people disgust me. This is simply another example of how you will go to any length to find a reason to blame Bush for anything. It has only been a few days since the disaster and the extent of damage is still unknown. Can you name the charitable organizations that are reliable? Oh, the U.N you say? Ha! Don't make me laugh. Why not bite your (poisonous) tongues for a while and take a more mature wait and see attittude. Let's see what kind of per capita donations result over time. (pay particular attention to private charitable donations), especially those that result from "Christian" based organizations. Or do you think the Arab nations will become the largest donors? The Sweedes? The French? Perhaps the Canadians? My guess? It will turn out to be the good old U.S.A that leads in private monies donated and perhaps in government donations as well, followed by Japan and Australia. I knew in my heart of hearts that it would only be a matter of time before America was blamed. What is most troubling to this American is that it happens so fast and from whom? My fellow Americans. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. And yeah, let me suggest right here and now that somehow one of you whackos will soon claim "Global Warming" caused this Tsunami. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1810 Registered: 3-2004 |
You should stop your wait and see attitude and start involving yourself in the tragedy of others. It is your attitude that stinks as much as the bodies in Sri Lanka. Your rancor is disgusting. By the way, if the sea weren't rising (and why is that happening?) and people weren't building resort behemoths on the beaches, this wouldn't happen. And if Americans didn't complain to high heavens about the apathy and repugnant selfishness of people like you, there wouldn't be any assistance going to the disaster. | ||
| Face Citizen Username: Face Post Number: 468 Registered: 5-2001 |
I agree with Reflective. Leave it to folks like Tulip and CageyD who are so off track with the truth that they actually somehow seek to pin the "Oil for Food" scandal on our country too! Here's taking it to the other extreme: (which is certainly not something I would suggest) Why not base donations upon the support given to the US on our war against terror?. Because we are better than that that's why! | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1811 Registered: 3-2004 |
Oil for Food schmoil for food. Go have a blasphemously hedonistic new years party, face, and get out of mine!!! | ||
| CageyD Citizen Username: Cageyd Post Number: 201 Registered: 6-2003 |
I don't blame the US for the disaster - give me a break. Imagine if Tony Blair or Chirac waited 3 + days to respond with a public comment after 9/11 - can you imagine how we would feel. For god's sake, Arafat responded faster than that to our tragedy - but Bush is too busy doing what to make a public statement of concern. Charitable organizations that are reliable - how about the Red Cross?!? Why is it only the faith based organizations that you are suggesting. DO you somehow think that the organizations run by the likes of Jimmy Swaggart and Jim and Tammy Baker are where we should put our money and trust. Let's wait and see which country gives the most - I doubt it will be us. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 651 Registered: 7-2004 |
Bush's non reaction is what is disgusting. It's the same mentality that allows for Rumsfeld to sign condolence cards to dead soldiers parents with a stamp. This administration is the most callous ever, and the most transparent in their pursuit of money and oil. Nothing else matters. Guaranteed if this awful tragedy didn't occur in one of the poorest regions in the world, Bush's response would be competely different. | ||
| Face Citizen Username: Face Post Number: 469 Registered: 5-2001 |
Tulip, thankfully I am very comfortable with the quantity and quality of charitable works I perform. Must you continue to be a willing victim of your own guilt? I guess that is how it works for some on the Whacky Far-Left. May God bless you. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1812 Registered: 3-2004 |
Wow, Bush finally dehibernates and makes a sound. Hope he wasn't reading a book about a goat. | ||
| Face Citizen Username: Face Post Number: 470 Registered: 5-2001 |
Yes, Bobbie. Right on point as expected. Let's blame Rummy too! Isn't it wonderful how you tie up all of the lose ends and blame not only the Rummiester, but capitalism and oil as well. Are you a Marxist? | ||
| jjkatz Citizen Username: Jjkatz Post Number: 494 Registered: 12-2003  |
When you can't count on your government to do the right thing, do it yourself. The Red Cross has a website and you can make a donation in a minute or so. I did it yesterday, sent them $20. If half of the country sent them an average of $20, that would add up to nearly $3 BILLION in aid. Whatever you think of Bush (and I think he's a moron), crack open your wallets and help these people. Show them that the American people are a lot more compassionate than our leaders are. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1813 Registered: 3-2004 |
Face, You think anyone who speaks out against your selfishness is a marxist? Are you a fool? | ||
| susan1014 Supporter Username: Susan1014 Post Number: 301 Registered: 3-2002 |
This is likely the worst natural disaster of our lifetimes, G-D willing. Find an organization that you trust and give 'til it hurts. And yes,I'm pissed that it took Bush 3 days to comment by audio feed. (and he was talking about Iraqi elections by the second minute or so of his comments). In the end, he said decent things about government and personal aid, but why did it take him 3 days??? Still, the main message is give the money now, argue about politics later...anything else is just ugly. | ||
| Face Citizen Username: Face Post Number: 471 Registered: 5-2001 |
My selfishness triggering Marxist name calling? Ha, ha, ha. Ho, ho, ho. Rather it was in response to Bobbie's suggestion of the Bush Administration's "pursuit of money and oil." But I am no longer going to waste my time on this. You folks deserve each other. Why Be about Peace? You'd rather Be about Hating Bush and will. It appears you will go to any length to twist and spin to serve that objective. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1814 Registered: 3-2004 |
Self adulation is ugly. Stinginess is ugly. Gluttonous permissiveness toward your own and irreverant criticism and judgements of others is ugly. Let's get it right. The desire to speak truth to power is beautiful, susan. The desire to set the record straight is quite lovely. Truth is beauty. If you and yours can't stand the truth, just ignore it. face: face you. |
