| Author | Message | ||
     Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 4967 Registered: 1-2003  |
How so, tulip? No, I had a very nice Chanukah and Christmas. Very nice indeed. I'm not feeling particularly grumpy, though perhaps I will sound that way when I speak of my view of people's obligations to the common good. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1835 Registered: 3-2004 |
Isn't that what paying taxes is supposed to be? | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 4969 Registered: 1-2003 |
Yes, taxes are supposed to provide for the common good. Most definitely. I believe that the government's JOB is to tax and spend. Funny how Bush 41 made that a dirty term. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1837 Registered: 3-2004 |
Cathy: The thing that bothers me about all this is that Bush is sort of saying to us: "OK, you are right. This is a horrible disaster. If you want to help, send your pennies, your daughter's piggy bank savings, because I have to use our taxes to prosecute a war in Iraq. I am sorry, our government billions are spoken for, because I have chosen to conduct a war, and you won't even have social security if I have to shell out for India, or something." Hey, please, tell me he's not saying that, or anything like it. Hunh, sportsnut? Besides, sports, it's not America I don't love, just Bush, and they way he does things. | ||
| Pippi Supporter Username: Pippi Post Number: 604 Registered: 8-2003  |
I'm sorry, Tulip. I disagree. Bush didn't instruct Cathy or her daughter to give money. Cathy has clearly taught her young daughter the meaning of compassion and why it's important to give if you can. I think it's a beautiful and valuable lesson and I admire Cathy for teaching it to her child. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4415 Registered: 5-2001  |
Cathy, Where are you getting your data? | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1838 Registered: 3-2004 |
Pippi: No, Bush didn't do that. He did ask (instruct) people to give directly. I prefer the old-fashioned way, Pippi. It's called foreign aid, government, civilization. Sorry. This isn't just an object lesson in compassion. It's a large scale disaster which could have global consequences. It's nice that Cathy's daughter has a chance to learn about compassion. But doing the giving that way is, frankly, not going to do much for Asia. I think Eleanor Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt had the right idea. UNICEF should funnel as much cash as all wealthy nations can provide. That would help, and it would be appropriate. But who cares what's appropriate. We have to have lessons in compassionate conservatism. Oh, well!!! It was a great idea, once. | ||
| Face Citizen Username: Face Post Number: 473 Registered: 5-2001  |
Since Bush didn't rush in front of the cameras fast enough for so many of you, Bill Clinton certainly did. Don't you miss him? http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?ID=35375 I have donated $100.00 so far. I challenge Tulip and others put your money where your mouth is. HOW TO HELP: Action Against Hunger, 247 West 37th Street, Suite 1201, New York, NY 10018, 212-967-7800, http://www.aah-usa.org American Jewish World Service 45 West 36th Street, 10th Floor New York, NY 10018, 800-889-7146, http://www.ajws.org ADRA International, 9-11 Fund, 12501 Old Columbus Pike, Silver Spring, MD 20904, 800-424-2372, http://www.adra.org American Friends Service Committee (AFSC Crisis Fund) 1501 Cherry Street Philadelphia, PA., 215-241-7000, http://www.afsc.org American Red Cross International Response Fund PO Box 37243 Washington, DC 20013 800-HELP NOW, http://www.redcross.org Catholic Relief Services PO Box 17090 Baltimore, MD 21203-7090, 800-736-3467, http://www.catholicrelief.org Direct Relief International, 27 South La Patera Lane, Santa Barbara, CA 93117, 805-964-4767, http://www.directrelief.org Doctors Without Borders/Medecins Sans Frontieres, PO Box 2247, New York, NY 10116-2247, 888-392-0392, http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org International Medical Corps, 11500 West Olympic Blvd., Suite 506, Los Angeles, CA 90064, 800-481-4462, http://www.imcworldwide.org International Orthodox Christian Charities Middle East Crisis Response PO Box 630225 Baltimore, MD 21263-0225, 877-803-4622, http://www.iocc.org Mercy Corps, PO Box 2669, Portland, OR 97208, 800-852-2100, http://www.mercycorps.org Prime Minister's National Relief Fund -- India, Prime Minister's Office, South Block, New Delhi -- 110001, India. http://pmindia.nic.in/relieffund.htm Operation USA, 8320 Melrose Avenue, Ste. 200, Los Angeles, CA 90069, 800-678-7255, http://www.opusa.org Save the Children Asia Earthquake/Tidal Wave Relief Fund, 54 Wilton Road Westport, CT, 06880, 800-728-3843, http://www.savethechildren.org SAWSO (Salvation Army World Service Office), South Asia Relief Fund, 615 Slaters Lane, Alexandria, VA, 22313, 800-SAL-ARMY | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 4972 Registered: 1-2003 |
Since this is the worst disaster in many years, by many measures, don't you think it calls for more charitable sacrifices than normal? If not, why not? | ||
| LilLB Citizen Username: Lillb Post Number: 299 Registered: 10-2002  |
FACE - Another to add to the list AmeriCares - http://www.americares.org | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1839 Registered: 3-2004 |
Tom: I think it calls for the supreme sacrifice. Let the conservatives put their money where their compassion is. Let's put them to the test, and ask them to withdraw the troops from Iraq immediately after the elections, thereby saving our country billions. Let's then reallocate all those billions (we don't have any more) to help the homeless hundreds of thousands of survivors in southeast Asia. I DARE them!!! | ||
| Spanish Inquisitor Citizen Username: Sinq Post Number: 38 Registered: 4-2004  |
Tulip, I have no idea why you are making this a political issue and wish you would just stop. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1840 Registered: 3-2004 |
It's a socioeconomic issue. Is it not? Is talking about Bush making it political? I thought I was making an economic proposal, not a political one! PS I wish you would not call yourself the name of someone who hurt many people during the Middle Ages. But...I don't get my wish, do I? I am saying we need: 1) change in the way science is used globally 2) change in the way aid is distributed, rather than nickel and diming it 3) change in the way our leaders respond to crises, going a little faster on the draw to express concern 4) change in the way we react to this, with outrage, rather than wanting not to see it What's insensitive about that, Spanish Inquisitor? | ||
| Spanish Inquisitor Citizen Username: Sinq Post Number: 39 Registered: 4-2004 |
It's a human tragedy and using it by either side for political points is gross. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1841 Registered: 3-2004 |
Your picture is gross. I'm not using it for politics. I am upset by the enormous loss of life, and I would like to discuss with (I thought) intelligent people how to prevent this from happening again. | ||
| Cathy Supporter Username: Clkelley Post Number: 663 Registered: 6-2002 |
mem, I don't remember off the top of my head, but I discussed it with my students in a class I was teaching. We had a big chart comparing giving as a function of GDP for many industrialized countries. My recollection is that the data came from the UN; we did a unit on the Millennium Development Goals and it may have been in one of those papers. I'll look around and try to find it and post here. | ||
| Spanish Inquisitor Citizen Username: Sinq Post Number: 40 Registered: 4-2004 |
How to prevent it? I'll lobby the earth's core and see what it can do. As for not liking Monty Python, that's your cross to bear. | ||
| sportsnut Citizen Username: Sportsnut Post Number: 1664 Registered: 10-2001 |
Tulip - Why am I sad? I prefer to think of it as practical. I'm not against using taxes for foreign aid, I'm against using it for wasteful things right here in the good old USA. We give significant amunts of money and the truth is it would never be enough to make everyone happy. Tulip you are a classic looney leftie. You don't mind spending money as long as its not your own. | ||
| sportsnut Citizen Username: Sportsnut Post Number: 1665 Registered: 10-2001 |
Further here is a link to CNNs webpage with organizations accepting donations (some of which are listed above) http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/28/tsunami.aidsites/index.html | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1842 Registered: 3-2004 |
I'm not against using taxes for foreign aid, I'm against using it for wasteful things right here in the good old USA sports...wasteful things like teachers' salaries? |
