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     mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4431 Registered: 5-2001  |
More in response to the title of this thread: "Experts say charities tend to achieve more than government-to-government aid because they involve less bureaucracy, less corruption and closer ties to those in need. "Private aid tends to be more effective," said Ian Vasquez of the Cato Institute (search). "It gets to the people that it's intended for, it's used generally in ways that help people." German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder returned early from vacation to supervise relief efforts. Germany pledged at least $27 million in aid. France has pledged at least $20 million. As a rule, Europeans rely more on government aid and less on private charities. "A lot of the social and human service programs in Europe take place through the government. People are taxed more so we have a different system here, where there's less taxes and more being done through the nonprofit charitable sector," Borochoff said. Another measure of U.S. generosity can't be found in the foreign aid budget. That's the cost of transport planes that are used to ferry supplies and navy vessels that purify tens of thousands of gallons of water. Added to that is the work of all the airmen, Marines and sailors who make it all possible." | ||
| Reflective Citizen Username: Reflective Post Number: 633 Registered: 3-2003 |
Thanks Mem. I was the third poster, but the first reponding responding contrary to cageyd. Tulip has some weird fixation on this topic, for some reason and even fellow supporters of tulip are suggesting to tulip to back-off. But tulip doesn't realize just how deep she/he is digging his own hole. But I did get the biggest laugh when tulip deep in fixation thought there was a conspiracy against him/her because his/her name was the last on three archives. After 1848 posts, one would think tulip, master of all global matters, might understand why that was. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1856 Registered: 3-2004 |
Reflective, You poor soul. I am female, a trained anthropologist. I have three degrees in anthropology, two of which are from Columbia University. I have spent time in developing countries, and have spent seven years devoted to a study of other cultures, in addition to over a year working in the education department of the American Museum of Natural History. I studied with Margaret Mead, and others at Columbia, and have a concern for the people who cannot think about whether they are going to eat grilled or boiled hot dogs at their New Year's Eve party. I am not interested in the petty silliness of many well heeled people in our culture, which doesn't mean that I hate America. I am astounded by people like you who simply aren't clever enough to understand the subtle (or not so subtle) differences between standing up for the poor of the world and being a Marxist, or telling you you should pay your taxes, and being a left wing loonie. I think you people are underinformed, so self-involved that you have never read about or thought about other people of other cultures. Your disease is one of xenophobia. Look it up. I am not digging any hole. You, on the other hand, are a self-obsessed small town type who doesn't give a hoot about anyone beyond your own circle of action. Happy New Year. ...and Dave, sorry if this was insensitive. This guy is, well, not very reflective. Your kind won the election, but you didn't win much else, least of all the moral crisis that is facing your town, and our country. You know your position is indefensible most of the time, so you couch your humiliation in attacks against those who are smart enough to show you up. ...and I think that there are one too many self-centered crackpots who can't realize the bad taste of discussing parties while a disaster like this has just struck the human race. It is hypocritical to suddenly claim to be concerned about the human race, when all you've been worried about is getting your SUV tuned up for as long as you can remember. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4434 Registered: 5-2001 |
"and have a concern for the people who cannot think about whether they are going to eat grilled or boiled hot dogs at their New Year's Eve party." tulip - get this straight already. I prefer grilled. Now get a life and put your money where that yapping mouth is and donate to this and any other cause that your mild, gentle and loving heart cares for. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1858 Registered: 3-2004 |
mem. I prefer grilled too. I'll give to charity (which I do generously all year, need to see my tax forms?) when these silly people on the message board, and in the "red states" stop griping about paying their taxes, and keep electing fools whose only contribution is that they lower their taxes. You dig? | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 553 Registered: 5-2004  |
tulip, so you're punishing those you'd like our government to help, to spite a bunch of conservatives on this board? How very noble of you. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1859 Registered: 3-2004 |
I'm punishing them? What do you mean by that? If you are referring to my saying that we should pay taxes and foreign aid from it means I am punishing someone, you are the wierd one. I am worried about the transformation of Maplewood from a community of caring, loving people who didn't equate love or care with money, and how much you tell everyone you are going to give to charity. As those posters who have a real Jewish background know, when you perform a mitzvah, or good deed such as giving charitably, you don't brag about it, thereby vitiating its real value. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 556 Registered: 5-2004 |
tulip, here's what you said. "I'll give to charity (which I do generously all year, need to see my tax forms?) when these silly people on the message board, and in the "red states" stop griping about paying their taxes, and keep electing fools whose only contribution is that they lower their taxes." This implies (though I do know what you mean), that you will not give until the above happens. This will not happen any time in the near future, so the implication is that you will not give to charity (notwithstanding your comment that you do all year). | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 557 Registered: 5-2004 |
Oh, and I never said or implied you were weird. The people in the affected regions don't need your love. They need your money. I don't care how much you give. You're the one who opened up about your donating habits. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4435 Registered: 5-2001 |
"As those posters who have a real Jewish background know, when you perform a mitzvah, or good deed such as giving charitably, you don't brag about it, thereby vitiating its real value." So what's everyone else count for? Chopped liver? Yikes. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1860 Registered: 3-2004 |
Rastro: I don't believe I "opened up" as you say about my "donating habits," Now I have no idea what you are talking about. I'll try one more time to say what I am trying to say here, then, you are on your own: I advocate creating an economic system whereby people pay their federal and state taxes, from which foreign aid is drawn in sufficient measure to make a difference to needy people of the earth, everywhere, for disaster aide. I don't need to tell you how much I am paying to charities of various kinds. That's another subject which became, as it were, a red herring whereby everyone avoided admitting that they elected Bush to avoid taxes. If you don't get it now, nothing I can do will help you. Call me all the names you want. mem, No. it's very nice of you to be so generous in your giving. I was just offering a bit of Jewish tradition for your holiday enjoyment. I hereby give you my permission to tell everyone how much you are giving, and it ain't chopped liver!! Speaking of chopped liver, it's real good if you mix it with onions, garlic and a little sour cream. Yum!!! Suggest it to ajc for a follow-up to the hot dogs. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 558 Registered: 5-2004 |
tulip, I undertand what you meant. No one asked you what you contributed. I couldn't care less what you contribute or don't contribute. I'm sure you're as generous as you can be. What I was saying is that from your post, you explicitly said you would give when they stop complaining. Since they haven't stopped complaining, the assumption is that you haven't given. Obviously that is not true. Yes, I'm being a nit-picker. But your posts change subjects so fast, I get whiplash reading them. As for your saying "Call me all the names you want. " I have no idea what you're talking about. I haven't called you any names. No matter, I'm done here... | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1861 Registered: 3-2004 |
Rastro, You are not the first, nor will you be the last, to cite my whiplash-inducing rhetoric. Deepest apologies. I realize you are serious in your posts, and I am being too flip. You haven't called me names. I have to admit, when one proposes an idea, be it old, new, familiar or unfamiliar, and lots of people start dumping on them, they can become somewhat scattered in their rhetoric. I have been following the tsunami situation, and the UN response. I think that's important. Have a happy new year, Rastro. I'll try not to be so angry about those who would rather not pay taxes, but want to deal with all this through ad hoc charities. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 559 Registered: 5-2004 |
A happy new year to you as well. We should all try to be more considerate of other people's opinions. That doesn't mean we need to agree, just that we shouldn't get so angry that people think the way they do. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4440 Registered: 5-2001 |
tulip - question - Margeret Meade retired in 1969 - when did you work for her? | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1862 Registered: 3-2004 |
mem, I didn't work for her, she was my teacher at Columbia in 1975, and I worked at the Museum in the mid-1980s. Dr. Mead was not retired from teaching in 1969. | ||
| Marc Citizen Username: Bautisma Post Number: 229 Registered: 9-2003 |
tulip, Would you be posting so much on this thread if Kerry won the election and he announced the US was pledging the same amount to the tsunami crisis that Bush did? | ||
| maplewood fan Citizen Username: Mplwfan Post Number: 146 Registered: 4-2003  |
Tulip - you have written many wonderful words! I'm glad you live in Maplewood. Bravo. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1863 Registered: 3-2004 |
Maplewood Fan you are a sweetheart. Thanks for your words of support. I worked in Maplewood schools from 3/2003-6/2004 and had a great time, but I had to hike from my home in Phillipsburg. My heart's in Maplewood, and will ever be. Marc, I am posting so much because people are directing questions to me. Should I ignore them? | ||
| yabbadabbadoo Citizen Username: Yabbadabbadoo Post Number: 187 Registered: 11-2003  |
Humanitarian response to the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake FF |
