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     Wendyn Supporter Username: Wendyn Post Number: 1213 Registered: 9-2002 |
Mem, you are off your rocker on this one. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4461 Registered: 5-2001  |
Huh? No one read this?: "I think that to insure that only children of truly good practicing Catholic parents attend that school they should limit enrollment to the children of Priests and Nuns only." This is not bashing? I didn't think it was funny. And wendyn, I don't expect you to understand anyway, but I was referring to 9/11. Anyway, why is it OK to bash catholics, but not muslims? | ||
| Addy Citizen Username: Addy Post Number: 339 Registered: 12-2003  |
You're not related to Tulip, are you? | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4462 Registered: 5-2001 |
Oh please. The hitler reference. "He was born and brought up a Roman Catholic. But he lost faith early and he attends no religious services of any kind. His Catholicism means nothing to him; he is impervious even to the solace of confession. On being formed his government almost immediately began a fierce religious war against Catholics, Protestants, and Jews alike." http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:8hAdcyAFVq0J:www.geocities.com/Athens/Olymp us/9587/attrelig.html+hitler%27s+religion&hl=en | ||
| susan1014 Supporter Username: Susan1014 Post Number: 318 Registered: 3-2002 |
Mem, As a Jew, I have to agree that far too many people are comfortable catholic bashing. People say things about Catholics and Catholicism that would not be said or accepted about non-Christian religions. Having said that, I also respectfully differ with the Catholic church on a huge number of issues. However, I have great respect for the School Super. who pointed out that a standard of strict adherance to chuch doctrine by parents would go well beyond gay parents! | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4463 Registered: 5-2001 |
Susan, Thank you! As bizarre as I find the catholic religion (and most others), they too have been victims - of the romans, the protestants, the Ku Klux, and yes, even hitler, who considered them one of his supreme enemies. I guess my real point is that it wasn't fair. | ||
| Dave Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 4907 Registered: 4-1998  |
Neither Anon's nor Ajc's post was bashing. They were jokes based on the premise that priests and nuns live lives of celibacy and hence wouldn't have children. | ||
| overtaxdalready Citizen Username: Overtaxdalready Post Number: 317 Registered: 6-2001 |
"They were jokes based on the premise that priests and nuns live lives of celibacy and hence wouldn't have children." Regardless. Some folks might find "jokes" like that to be offensive, just like some people think that playing Christmas music is "offensive". | ||
| Zoesky1 Citizen Username: Zoesky1 Post Number: 603 Registered: 6-2003 |
Some of us who engage in "Catholic-bashing" are actually ex-Catholics who have experienced the church firsthand and have chosen to leave it due to its misogynist, outdated, anti-gay agenda. That includes me. I consider myself an ex-Catholic, now Presbyterian who will NOT be raising my kids in a Catholic home. There are many others like me, including my own boyfriend, an ex-Catholic, now Episcopalian. Not that it's OK to "bash" any religion, but a little humor directed at an organization that some of us have chosen to leave for very personal reasons isn't entirely inappropriate. We know it well. We're not entirely ignorant in our comments. My decision to leave the Catholic church is based in the fact that major parts of my lifestyle from the time I was an adolescent (birth control, premarital sex) until my adult life (my divorce, my support for gays, my interest in seeing a female clergy who can address my needs more directly) have been deemed unacceptable by a bunch of old men in the Vatican, and I can't abide by that. But I was raised Catholic (product of a "mixed" marriage with one Protestant parent and one Catholic parent, in which the Protestant "signed the paper" and agreed to raise the kids Catholic), so I don't feel my own comments toward the church are entirely out of line... | ||
| Dave Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 4910 Registered: 4-1998 |
I'm not politically correct. I laughed. But then again, I have met both anon and ajc and I know they mean no harm, so perhaps it's something that doesn't translate well online? This seems more like the face-off between Franciscans and the Papal delegation in the Name of the Rose and the hidden role of humor in religion. Does Steve Martin's King Tut anger Egyptians? Who knows... who cares? | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 656 Registered: 7-2004 |
overtaxdalready: Are these jokes offensive? "I read this in the paper this morning: New York City has a priest shortage. So you see, there is some good news in the world. ... To give you an idea how bad it is, earlier today in Brooklyn an alter boy had to grope himself." —David Letterman "The Cardinals will be staying at the Domus Sanctae Marthae, the new hotel at the Vatican, where turn down service means the bell boy isn't interested." —Jon Stewart "Isn't it crazy with all these church scandals? I'm beginning to understand how all those Bibles ended up in hotel rooms." —Jay Leno | ||
| finnegan Citizen Username: Finnegan Post Number: 160 Registered: 6-2001 |
And you point, Robert, is....??? It's always so very nice when just as a little flare up of disagreement is dying down, someone comes along to throw a bucket of gasoline on it.  | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4464 Registered: 5-2001 |
Dave, Well excuse me. Anyway, I am just pointing this out in light of the Christmas music debacle. Now it's off to my devil worshipping session.  | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 657 Registered: 7-2004 |
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| Dave Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 4913 Registered: 4-1998 |
now that's bad form plus, we know it's on Fox | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 658 Registered: 7-2004 |
"plus, we know it's on Fox" | ||
| Wendyn Supporter Username: Wendyn Post Number: 1214 Registered: 9-2002 |
"And wendyn, I don't expect you to understand anyway, but I was referring to 9/11." Um, figured that one out since I had a friend who died and a husband and father who were there. And you are right, I don't understand why you think no one has ever been killed by a Catholic. And I think there is a difference in "bashing" a religion and making a joke based on their rules. Please light a candle to the evil one for me, I won't get a chance to sit at his alter tonight. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 1920 Registered: 3-2004 |
}You're not related to Tulip, are you? Addy, I'm actually not as stupid or crazy as you think. I take issue with what you said to mem. Why do you have to perpetuate personal attacks? You can be really cutting. | ||
| mtierney Citizen Username: Mtierney Post Number: 718 Registered: 3-2001 |
Dave: "They were jokes based on the premise that priests and nuns live lives of celibacy and hence wouldn't have children." You're joking right? You can't be that naive! And as for the offensive bit from Livingston, it's okay because it is from a conservative Fox station? Politics yet again! Kerry lost already. Can you can point out to me references wherein Jewish or Protestant beliefs are ridiculed? Posted any good rabbi jokes or cartoons lately? Trashing another's beliefs just leaves a sour taste in the mouth. Being a fallen away Catholic does not grant him or her special dispensation to cast aspersions either. BTW, Catholics have been eating meat on Fridays for about 30 years. Heh, we're not going for accuracy on this board! Catholic bashing is still considered acceptable to many . No politically correct folks are standing up to object to it - they will deny it exists, however. Not the same thing!}  Finally, it is particularly unfortunate that we are engaging in this religious "war" at a time when we are trying to separate the terrorists who kill in God's name from the Muslims whose religion is being corrupted in the process. | ||
| Dave Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 4920 Registered: 4-1998 |
Explain how you understand anon's joke. Maybe he'll stop by later to atone. Or maybe we should call the police... no, let's call the Church Police. *** The Dead Bishop on the Landing sketch from Monty Python's Flying Circus.*** apologies to the Church of England |
