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Joel Janney
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Username: Joel_janney

Post Number: 23
Registered: 6-2004
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 4:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do you use the word "guarantee" when you speak?
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Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese

Post Number: 83
Registered: 7-2004


Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 5:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jay060,
I couldn't disagree with you more. How could you say that?!?!?
The Truman Show was one the worst movie ever! It ranks up there with American Ninja 4 and Gigli.
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Michael Janay
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Username: Childprotect

Post Number: 1456
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 6:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wasn't saying I'd be happier in Buffalo... far from it. Personally, I'd be happy in Florida. I was saying that my relatives only see the positives there, while the rest of the world sees the negatives, and no one can point them out to them.

As to quality of life, its not just my subjective opinion. They have lower costs, more leisure time, larger houses, less commutte, less pollution, more and closer outdoor activities, lower taxes, as good schools, better supermarkets, etc.

I also said I love the shore. I had beachhouses in Manasquan and Point for years. But if you compare our beaches to just about any other states beaches and ours are pretty poor. Coarse rocky sand, murky water, erosion, litter, garbage, overdevelopment. Just go south to Delaware and see how much better Rehobeth beach is. Even the south jersey beaches leave a lot to be desired.

Oh and I forgot one of the things I really hate... you can't see the stars at night. I love the stars, but its so damn bright around here you can't see squat. Most people have no idea how the night sky should look. I used to go out into the Arizona desert with an astronomy club. Its the most amazing thing you can imagine. You see the milky way, constellations, sattellites... all with your naked eyes. Around here, all you see is a yellowish glow emanating from the city. I miss the stars.
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mjc
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Username: Mjc

Post Number: 139
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 6:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The stars and actual darkness.
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CageyD
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Username: Cageyd

Post Number: 210
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 6:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

SOmeone from LI is criticizing NJ. LI is the pit of the world. over crowded with the ugliest housing stock imaginable, strip mall after strip mall after strip mall, shopping is the only culture in LI, don't forget the overcrowded roads and the accents. I went to college there for 3 semesters before leaving - everyone I met cared only about money and status and the jeans you wore the jewelry you had - there was not a single intellectually minded person to be found. Much later when we were looking for a place to live, we briefly considered LI, a trip to a granted lovely beach there was ruined by all the complaining LI residents -"too much sand", "too many kids, "too much noise" For me the place is a hell hole. I come from CT, and I think NJ is far superior to CT in almost every category. NJ RULES LI SUCKS. Go back to LI there is an ugly house in Levittown near a strip mall waiting for you and Joey Buttafucco will be your neighbor.
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Lizziecat
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Post Number: 474
Registered: 5-2003
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 6:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, Florida is great, where every day more of the natural environment is destroyed for ugly gated communities. Where the people in the stores are so slow and stupid that it makes me want to scream. Where service in restaurants takes forever and where you have to pump your own gas. We spend several weeks in Florida every winter, and while the weather is better there in the winter, I'll take New Jersey any time. And I forgot the Florida drivers--talking about crazy. And I-95, which is possibly one of the most dangerous stretches of highway in the country. Not to mention hurricanes, sinkholes and gigantic flying cockroaches. Yep, I'll take New Jersey anytime.
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gozerbrown
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Post Number: 609
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 6:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For the most part I really like living here, but what really burns me up (and maybe this is just a SO/M thing) is people say that our communities are so diverse and tolerant, but it seems that if you have a different viewpoint about something, people jump all over you. A lot of people here have this attitude that they're tolerant, until you say something they disagree with. They think their way of thinking is the only right way to think.
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Joel Janney
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Username: Joel_janney

Post Number: 24
Registered: 6-2004
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 7:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For me, Michael, quality of life means having a huge diversity of good food. It means seeing any movie I want to. It means having great museums, theater, music, and a myriad of other activities readily available. It means getting to read/sleep/listen to music while on my way to work rather than have to drive. It means when friends and family visit we can do whatever they want. It means I spend time with people who also value these things. And much more.

Your list is correct for you but not for me. Lower costs means what - that if you had tons of money you would prefer here to Florida? More leisure time - is that even true - is it the case that driven people in other parts of the country have more free time? Whatever. I don't like being told what's good for me, whether it's by the government or a person. I would rather get the information I need to make my own opinion, which is in fact what I did when I made the decision to move here from the south, when I determined that this area offers the highest quality of life for me. And I do like it much better here. That doesn't mean I think you should feel the same way, what a boring world it would be if we all wanted the same things.

PS I also love looking at the stars at night, that's one of the great things about taking a trip out west. Definitely a con of living here.
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mck
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Post Number: 705
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 8:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am just grateful my life is as comfortable as it is. On the subject of this thread, I'm from New England but much prefer life in NJ, with all its problems, to N.E. which is smug, parochial and has horrendous winter weather.
However, one of my biggest beefs with NJ folks shows up in this thread. Their (our) language. Painfully crude and vulgar. Why do smart people have to say "sucks" all the time? Those 9 yr old kids in restaurants and malls shrieking "Oh my Gawd" about nothing at all, what's up with that? The young attorneys in my office using the f word for no reason?? I'm showing my age and my own stuffiness, I'm sure. And I'm not perfect in this regard either, I curse way too much, and even on MOL, when provoked! But the casual, hum drum crudity everywhere drives me crazy. Maybe it's the same across the country - but I think the NY/NJ area is particularly awful. Anyway, I would like to do better, personally, and that's my New Year resolution.
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johnny
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Username: Johnny

Post Number: 1169
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 9:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jay060-
Is your house nice? Maybe I'll buy it when you leave.
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anon
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Username: Anon

Post Number: 1584
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 9:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Malcontents. You could probably make a long lists of the negatives of living on Planet Earth. Every place has its good and bad points.

I'm sure there are happy, content people in Kabul or the West Bank or North Dakota, and miserable people on the French Riviera.

The glass is half empty or the glass is half full, or the glass is cracked and the milk is sour. The grass is always greener on the other side.

Sometimes being on MOL is miserable, but the masochist in me brings me back.
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anon
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Post Number: 1585
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 9:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

JUST KIDDING!
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mwoodwalk
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Post Number: 253
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 11:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Amen gozer---although I have to say I think that attitude is more evident on MOL than in day-to-day interactions around town.
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Mr. Big Poppa
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Username: Big_poppa

Post Number: 31
Registered: 7-2004


Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 12:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just wish I had enough money to have houses in multiple cities/countries.....and a private jet....and was independently wealthy so I didn't have to work.

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phyllis
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Username: Phyllis

Post Number: 321
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 12:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As a NJ native (and there are one or two of us in SOMA)I've read this thread with amusement and didn't feel need to comment except about the beaches. I've been to Rehobeth a number of times and have no idea what you are talking about - looks just like Jersey Shore to me! I've been terribly dissapointed at the beaches in CA, on the other hand. There are many many places "prettier" and more quaint than Manasquan and the Point, so you might be missing out on something. Sure, there's nowhere in NJ like Montauk, and its not the Cape, but our sand and water (lately, anyway) compare quite nicely, thank you. I've been to a ton of other beaches on both the east and west coast and love that we can actually swim in the water, lie on the beach and not have to see hotels or a highway lined up right next to us. There are even some beaches where you don't have to hear the radio of the group next to you.

I have lived a number of other places and we came back to NJ primarily because we love NYC and because our wonderful, VERY NJ, salt-of-the-earth family is all here. Would enjoy living in the city, but we need a car to get to the shore every weekend and therefore we want a driveway. We also like our yard. My husband would be happy going back up to Bergen Co, but I love this town and the great people I've met, so seems like we're staying.

There are a lot of things I would change, but overall it was a great place to grow up and there are personal and professional opportunities here that just don't exist elsewhere.

But we have enough people already, and the shore is getting more crowded than ever, so do us all a favor and keep trying to scare people away!
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ffof
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Username: Ffof

Post Number: 3236
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 8:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

mck- you're so right! And what's with the bastardizing of pronouns? Last night at the movies a girl was buying tickets and said "Me and her would like 2 tickets to see...."

I think it's become pervasive everywhere, though, not just NJ. You hear it on TV.
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anon
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Post Number: 1589
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 3:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm curious, FFOF. What movie were "me and her" going to see?
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Lydia
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Username: Lydial

Post Number: 866
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 6:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I like living in NJ, I just hate explaining to (non-NJ) people that I live in NJ and I like it.

If Chicago is "The Second City" (dubbed by I believe the NYTimes in the 1950's) then NJ is "The Second State"

Not for nothing, but alls I know is we're staying.
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ffof
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Username: Ffof

Post Number: 3238
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 6:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I like to say I live in "Northern New Jersey". It gives the NYC connotation versus the Philly thing or the middle of nowhere thing.

anon- "Me and her" were buying tickets to Racing Stripes. My husband and I went to see Sideways
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flugermongers
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Username: Flugermongers

Post Number: 348
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 6:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

New Jersey is a dirty state with some of the highest cancer rates in the country, partly from shirking factory waste responsibilty. I didn't make the choice to live here, and besides the school district f***ing me over for years, I dig Maplewood.

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