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     Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4330 Registered: 10-2001 |
My Fellow Americans, What the hell is wrong with liberals? How in the world has a group of individuals who pride themselves on education and knowledge become so useless, so pointless? Let's examine. Politically speaking liberals are no longer electable. This is just a fact. 7 out of the last 10 Presidential elections have gone to Republicans. The Senate's Republican Majority grew once again in November. The House has been Republican controled for over a decade. How? Why? For starters Liberals are defeatest by nature. They expect America to lose and they make it clear in their points about this nation. When folks such as Reagan or Bush come along who glow when speaking about the positives being an American includes, liberals want to throw up. They don't believe America has good in it, and as a result Americans no longer care to listen to their rants. Also, the rants are predictable. let's use local liberals here in Maplewood to drive home my point. Vic Deluca is the biggest liberal this town has ever known. He came here intent on making the Hilton section a better place to live at the expense of just about the rest of the town. In the end all he did was get the taxes raised for most of us. No surprise really, since this is what liberals do best. He's voted out but he sticks around causing just enough trouble so that building SA and a police station goes no-where. Now, he plans to run again and we all know what he'll do since he's a liberal. He'll find some African American woman to run with him in order to paint Fred as a racist. Why? Because he's a predicable liberal. Will it work? No. But then again, don't tell a liberal that since they never learn. Now I'm not saying all liberals are bad people. Take folks such as Notehead and Nohero. They really do want to see America succeed. It's just that they've been so influenced by the NY Times etc. that they really do believe things such as Bush is evil or Europe has all the answers. Bad guys? no, misinformed, you better believe it. I will continue this argument later today or possibly tomorrow. Stay warm, shovel your walk and have a nice day. (upcoming topics will include Harpo, rock music and Vietnam.) | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 999 Registered: 8-2003  |
boring | ||
| jerkyboy Citizen Username: Jerkyboy Post Number: 55 Registered: 12-2004 |
Strawman, Pretty work! And you actually wrote it. Unlike the P.aste, C.opy and P.ost liberals. | ||
| Dave Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 5053 Registered: 4-1998  |
Fun reading for a snowy Saturday. (in Feb issue of Wired)  | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 1925 Registered: 5-2001  |
A picture really is worth at least a thousand words, don't you think?  | ||
| llama Citizen Username: Llama Post Number: 658 Registered: 5-2001  |
Nothing. Unfortunately, in this day and age in our country, the epidemic of ignorance that has turned into part of our culture has become the majority, as demonstrated unwittingly by the likes of Strawberry, who can only cower or criticize. Like sheep, they blindly follow, but are oblivious to reality. And the worse things get, the deeper they dig themselves into thier warped and twisted mind-set, rather than being able to sit back, be happy, and enjoy the fruits of their power, because those fruits are rotten as is his hypocritical wish to the folks who he just attacked to "stay warm and have a nice day." My guess is that the only thing that can keep Strawberry happy would be some kind of medication and to display his cowardice safely on MOL. | ||
| Albatross Citizen Username: Albatross Post Number: 449 Registered: 9-2004  |
Jerkyboy, I'm sorry that some of us have sources to back our facts and opinions. | ||
| Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4331 Registered: 10-2001 |
Ok, As I was saying liberals come in all shapes, sizes and colors. The problem of course being that there really aren't that many left. The ones who remain are pretty much at a level where much of what they say is mocked and or ignored. Let's take Harpo who I believe has yet to make a post since Bush won his re-election. Stunned surprise I suppose since it takes alot to quiet this lion that likes to roar. Anyway, as we all know Harpo is a bleeding heart lib in every which way you can imagine. Some such as Ken Pettis consider her brilliant. (Another reason why Ken the liberal will never win again in Maplewood, by the way). Harpo is well read and certainly "knows" her facts. No one can disagree here. However "knowing" your facts is one thing, "understanding" your facts is completely different. For instance Harpo understands that Israel is fighting a war on terror. She also understands that Israel takes an eye for an eye mentally against its wicked enemies. Now, listen closely to where Harpo's liberal ideology gets her in trouble. When she accuses Israel of being a terrorist nation, one that builds illegal walls to grab land (not for security) while opressing the Palestinian people, she becomes confused. She's in essence assuming the UN attitude toward Israel is one that's correct and there's just no two ways about it. So, again here we have a liberal (an intelligent one) who pretty much wants all Jews to know she considers the Jewish state a criminal one. If and when Israel takes out Iran's nuke facilities, liberals like Harpo will demend Israel be isolated if not destroyed for removing this international threat. How do I know? because liberals are predictable. MORE TO COME! upcoming topics: Music, Vietnam and Tjohn. | ||
| llama Citizen Username: Llama Post Number: 659 Registered: 5-2001 |
Strawberry has earned this re-post bonus for the display of his own misery! Nothing. Unfortunately, in this day and age in our country, the epidemic of ignorance that has turned into part of our culture has become the majority, as demonstrated unwittingly by the likes of Strawberry, who can only cower or criticize. Like sheep, they blindly follow, but are oblivious to reality. And the worse things get, the deeper they dig themselves into thier warped and twisted mind-set, rather than being able to sit back, be happy, and enjoy the fruits of their power, because those fruits are rotten as is his hypocritical wish to the folks who he just attacked to "stay warm and have a nice day." My guess is that the only thing that can keep Strawberry happy would be some kind of medication and to display his cowardice safely on MOL. | ||
| anon Citizen Username: Anon Post Number: 1615 Registered: 6-2002 |
What do "Conservatives" believe? They used to believe in "States Rights". Now they believe the Federal Government should prevent States from legalizing "medical marijuana", or same-sex marraige, should tell the States how to handle medical malpractice suits and should impose unfunded mandates on the States. Conservatives used to believe in fiscal responsibility and balanced budgets. Now they believe in borrow and spend like there's no tomorrow and that "deficits don't matter". Conservatives used to believe that America should mind its own business in foreign affairs, not worry about what kind of governments other countries had and act only when America's strategic interests were threatened. Now they believe it is our mission to bring Democracy to the world and "nation build". The only thing that Conservatives seem really to believe is that anyone who reaches the age of 40 without becoming a millionaire is a loser not deserving of any consideration, certainly not entitled to expect anything from the government and who should be overjoyed to be allowed to be a good little slave to his "betters". On another day at another time we can discuss those "conservatives" who believe that the world was created in six days, that there actually were two folks named Adam and Eve who lived in a Garden and got evicted for eating an apple, that dinosaurs are a myth and that a guy named Jonah lived in a whale! | ||
| Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4333 Registered: 10-2001 |
Vietnam and the liberals. Once upon a time America took to Vietnam to stop Communist aggression. It was a noble effort in principal and one Kennedy understood needed to be addressed in that region of the world. It was also a war fought during a time when to many old time liberals were in effect running the nation. As a result, we had a quagmire with no exit strategy. (Not to mention 50,000+ dead) As a result it needed to be stopped. It was a young liberal movement that took on the "establishment". From the Democratic Convention in Chicago right on down the movement took no prisoners. It was one instance where liberal outrage proved correct. However, this "movement" wasn't a true "liberal" movement. It was simply young people frightened at the prospect of being drafted taking a stand. And their distain wasn't directed at just Nixon. It was directed at Johnson as well. The 21st century liberal in no way symbolizes the counterculture movement. Their trust in one party over another is something their 60's counterparts would never understand. The 21'st century liberal thinks spending 3 months in Nam means someone's electable, even if hundreds of fellow vets say the man isn't. So, what we have is selectable acceptance. They still hate Vets such as the Swift boat captains, but they do like someone who fought in Nam if he's electable and on their side (as far as they know). Their 60's counterparts would laugh in their face at such a notion. I will continue my argument at a future date. TOPICS WILL INCLUDE MUSIC, TJOHN AND JOHN EDWARDS. | ||
| Ripper Citizen Username: Ripper Post Number: 20 Registered: 7-2003  |
Uncle Strawberry, Tell us about the silly people who keep picking northeast liberals in the primaries like Dukakis and Kerry. | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 346 Registered: 3-2004 |
I seem to recall a certain Dwight David Eisenhower, at one time president of the United States, who began ordering US troops to Vietnam after the fall of Dien Bien Phu and the decision of the French to abandon their Indochinese colony. I believe Ike was a Republican, although the way the media twist things these days, someone might actually try to call him a British Labourite. | ||
| Dave Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 5070 Registered: 4-1998 |
"Never get involved in a land war in Asia" - Vizzini | ||
| anon Citizen Username: Anon Post Number: 1618 Registered: 6-2002 |
I think our friend Straw's gone over the edge. | ||
| Ukealalio Citizen Username: Ukealalio Post Number: 1756 Registered: 6-2003 |
Hey, he's on a roll, cut him some slack. Our own King Of Comedy , Rupert Pubkin Straw, had a busy day Thursday. He spent hours in his basement, interviewing and dining with life-size cardboard cut-outs of the Bush family. When the snow started falling, it flooded his basement and ruined his, "friends". Now taking all this in to account, whats a delusional guy to do ?. | ||
| argon_smythe Citizen Username: Argon_smythe Post Number: 515 Registered: 5-2001 |
Straw, really this is all big crayon coloring book stuff. How about taking the radical stance that ideas are right or wrong, and that most everybody both individually and collectively are filled to the brim with various items from both sides. How about surgically picking out which ideas and policies are right, and which are wrong, and making a case for truth over politics. Writing something yourself rather than cutting and pasting is admirable, Straw, but you're still just towing the party line, and sadly, it's all been said before, often better, by others, and finally, like a huckster preacher picking his favorite passages out of the bible and skipping over those that don't fit his message, your "big picture" is in reality quite small. I don't disagree with every argument you're making, but your vision of power, and politics, is oversimplified, absolute, and arbitrary. You've said things before which support this (my personal favorite is when you contended that, post-election, the opinions of nearly half the people in the country "no longer mattered"), and you're doing it again. Your arguments are based on "libs" or "conservatives" being in power as if that power were absolute. This country just doesn't work that way, and at any time the forces which shape our politics are far more dynamic. Finally, you're engaging in the same old tired rhetorical formula that seems to be the staple for conservative argument these days: attribute certain qualities to a group of people, true or not, then aggressively argue against those qualities, and, by extension, against the group. It's shadow boxing, Straw, not real debate, and not particularly enlightening. I suggest we all get together, head over to Straw's place, and shovel him out before he takes all this to its natural conclusion, a glowing counterappraisal of the do-no-wrong right. | ||
| llama Citizen Username: Llama Post Number: 661 Registered: 5-2001 |
Strawberry needs a joke to cheer him up: Q: How many Bush Administration officials does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: None. There is nothing wrong with the light bulb; its conditions are improving every day. Any reports of its lack of incandescence are a delusional spin from the liberal media. That light bulb has served honorably, and anything you say undermines the lighting effect. Why do you hate freedom? | ||
| Paul Surovell Supporter Username: Paulsurovell Post Number: 217 Registered: 2-2003 |
Argon said: "Finally, you're engaging in the same old tired rhetorical formula that seems to be the staple for conservative argument these days: attribute certain qualities to a group of people, true or not, then aggressively argue against those qualities, and, by extension, against the group. It's shadow boxing, Straw, not real debate, and not particularly enlightening." I wonder if anyone else has noticed the irony that such a method of debate is formally referred to as the "Straw Man Argument." The debator creates a "Straw Man" -- a distorted image of his opponent's position -- and then proceeds to knock down this untenable target. On the other hand, I don't want to "pile on" in this matter, so I'd like to say in general, I find Strawberry's arguments to be principled and sincere, even when he constructs his "Straw Men." The underlying problem with Strawberry's position in my view, is an extreme chauvinism and blind support for any actions designed to further the power and influence of those who command wealth and property (real wealth and property) --regardless of how those actions might impact the populations affected. This explains why Strawberry can justify the killing of at least 2 million Vietnamese and more than 100,000 Iraqi civilians by American military violence. And it explains why he supports the destruction of good programs like Social Security and Medicare. Because in all of these ventures, the real purpose is to project the power of wealth and property, regardless of how it might impact the affected populations. Period. | ||
| Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4335 Registered: 10-2001 |
Paul, Your argument seems to indicate that the wars in Vietnam and Iraq were/are products of America's evil ways. That somehow stopping Communism aggression wasn't important. That stopping terrorism isn't important. Before Reagan we were a nation at loss at how to deal with the communist threat. And this was the case from Truman on down to Carter and everyone in between. Vietnam was the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time and we know that now. However, as I said that war was fought with purpose early on. It's the failure to create a roadmap that in the end defeated our purpose there. Iraq is a different story all together. We are now attempting to create a supportive democracy in the most dangerous region of the world. One that will support our way of life while denouncing terrorism and those who sponsor it. A friend such as Iraq will serve our purpose as we move forward fighting terrorism and those who sponsor it. I believe the elections can work and I look forward to seeing what happens there once each and every Iraqi citizen has an opportunity to vote. Just like we saw In Afghanistan, it's going to be successful and it will be a big win for the U.S in the region. The war in Iraq will serve purpose. It's not another Vietnam. Liberals on the other hand want another Nam. They want it, they need it and they won't admit until the end of time that it wasn't. And as has always been the case they will once again be proven incorrect. Just like when they used to say the Soviet Union couldn't be defeated. They were wrong then and they're wrong now. Iraq will be the nation that leads the charge in taking down Syria. Israel will lead the charge in taking down Iran, Saudi Arabia will learn to play ball once and for all.. Imagine what the landscape's going to look like in 10 years if Iraq, Syria, and Iran have stable Democratic governments without Nuclear capability (along with Palestine). This must be our goal in this region and it's a goal Bush believes can be achieved. However, if we cut and run as the liberals demand we will never see that region at peace. And that means we as Americans will never see peace. |
