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     Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 1007 Registered: 8-2003  |
a judge would have to be blind not to see that the Straw Man is beating the stuffing out of a straw man. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4557 Registered: 5-2001  |
As a true "independent", comparing liberals to a herd of cats is an unrealistic compliment. Cats are kinder, and they're not poseurs. This group needs to get their act together, perhaps they can't because they are as impossible as people on the other side like straw claim they are, and just as much an embarrassment as the crazy right wing. I mean, come on, saying "red state people are stupid", and "blue state people are smarter", and "people in the south are dumb" and throwing sticks and stones - that's real productive, that'll win people over - yuck. Are independents supposed to be amused by this or something? This just forces independents even more between a rock and a hard place. | ||
| Albatross Citizen Username: Albatross Post Number: 455 Registered: 9-2004  |
I don't think that to be a 'liberal' is to necessarily lack an agenda or purpose, nor do I think that to be a 'liberal' is to be a posing crony spouting the ususal insults. It is true of some liberals, but using such a definition as a blanket is incorrect. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4559 Registered: 5-2001 |
Albatross, You're right - it's wrong to generalize the entire group - and I apologize to the many sincere, caring and decent liberals - for the rest - stop calling people stupid and stop acting so smugly superior and arrogant. It's weak, unfocused and gives libs a bad name. Yes - many things bush is doing is awry - this war situation, environment, immigration, etc. But his group must of done something right, because they won and it's not because most Americans are stupid. So instead of snidely saying "they're so stupid, we're so smart", try being hip and smart for real and doing something strong about it. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 747 Registered: 7-2004 |
mem: Karl Rove pulled a huge con on many Americans, playing up to their fears and prejudices. Fixing the voting machines didn't hurt their chances, either. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4560 Registered: 5-2001 |
Robert, This discussion is not about Karl Rove. It's about liberal arrogance, which lets people like Karl Rove do what he did and laugh in their faces. Kerry and his plan just didn't cut it. Playing up on people's hopes and fears - well, where's all that mighty liberal intelligence to combat Rove's underhanded tactics? Too busy trying to be hip and snide? Whatever. You get what you give. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 748 Registered: 7-2004 |
It's hard to be modest in the face of such overwhelming stupidity. I'm not worried. Neo-cons on this board are gloating and blindly cheerleading, meanwhile Bush and Co. are bringing this country down to levels never before seen. It's okay. They are going to screw everything up so badly -- the war in Iraq, social security, taxes -- that after Bush leaves office, the GOP won't be able to grab power for another 75 years. Do I want Bush to eff up the country this badly? No. But I've come to grips with the fact that with this current republican leadership it is an inevitability. Better we rebuild from the ashes than a slow debilitation that is never solved. As for democratic leadership emerging within the next two- to four years...tell me you knew Kerry and Edwards would emerge as nominees in 2000. There are leaders there ready to take the reigns. Names other than Clinton. If you can guess who they are, I'd like your picks for the next four Super Bowls so I can call my bookie. | ||
| Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4346 Registered: 10-2001 |
boring | ||
| Michael Janay Citizen Username: Childprotect Post Number: 1478 Registered: 1-2003  |
In 2000 we said there was no strong dem leader and that Gore was a nobody that will hurt the dems more than help them. Many dems were calling Gore the "Shadow President". I still giggle about that one. Sure enough... 2003 comes around, and there is no strong Dem. I and many others called Kerry as the nominee long before Iowa. Even when Dean was way ahead in the polls. By the way, Kerry was the candidate, but I'd hardly call him the leader of the party, or anything for that matter. Now there is no strong Dem leader... Dean may head the DNC, and the best name anyone can toss around is Hillary. The Dem party is in serious trouble. Oh, and put your money on the Pats. They're winning this year and at least once more within 4 years. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 749 Registered: 7-2004 |
Thanks, Janay. I called my bookie and told him to put a dime on the Pats winning a Super Bowl sometime in the next four years. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Good for you and half the population calling Kerry as the nominee "long before Iowa." Does that go all the way back to 2000, as was my point? As I said before, all the Dems have to do is sit back and watch the current leadership implode and continue the downfall of our country. Then the country will be begging the dems to come in and rebuild the mess Bush and Co. has made. (And the Pats are going down...) | ||
| Michael Janay Citizen Username: Childprotect Post Number: 1479 Registered: 1-2003 |
I'm no pats fan... but McNabb is cursed, its just not going to happen. I'd be happy to eat my words in that regard. In 2000 I wouldn't have called Kerry anything but a loser. Come to think of it, nothing changed. In 2000 we said there was no strong Dem. Most Republicans declared Al Gore politically dead while the DNC was touting him as the Shoe in candidate in '04. One of the reasons that the dems had such a poor roster of fools running was the fact they had to wait for the heir apparent Al Gore to decide if he was running or not. The only thing that would have made the GOP happier than a Dean candidacy would have been a Gore candidacy. The Dems settled for Kerry because they had no one better. Kerry still thinks he has a chance on '08... that should tell you something. If Bush achieves just half of what he wants to do WRT taxes, SSI, and spreading freedom, the dem. party won't have a chance until 2016. And you can make book on that. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 751 Registered: 7-2004 |
Bush and the rest of you republican nutjobs are starting to sound exactly like The Tick. Remember him? Nigh-Invulnerable cartoon superhero extraordinaire (short-lived live action series on Fox). Fought outlandish supervillains to comic effect. Prone to long-winded cartoon superhero-y speeches. Don't get me wrong, I'm not comparing the supervillain Bush to the Tick, an all-around good guy with a childlike innocence and a small ego...only their cartoonish rhetoric. For instance: The Tick: "Y'know, evil comes in many forms, whether it be a man-eating cow or Joseph Stalin, but you can't let the package hide the pudding! Evil is just plain bad! You don't cotton to it. You gotta smack it in the nose with the rolled-up newspapaer of justice! Bad dog! Bad dog!" The Tick: "Villains, I say to you now... knock off all that evil! The Tick: "Honk if you love justice." The Tick: "Like a great blue salmon of Justice, the mighty Tick courses upstream to the very spawning ground of evil." The Tick: "The human mind is a dangerous plaything, boys. When it's used for evil, watch out! But when it's used for good, then things are much nicer." The Tick: "And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables." | ||
| lumpynose Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 1089 Registered: 3-2002  |
"fixing the voting machines?" That belief is pathetic and paranoid. Where is your sense of sportsmanship? YOUR TEAM lOST. They lost because they are not as smart as they think plus their bad attitude of intellectual superiority. The R's will win in a landslide in 08 too, just as I predicted in 04. The libs better get used to it and stop their stupid whining. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 752 Registered: 7-2004 |
It's not my team that lost, lumpy, it's my country. | ||
| lumpynose Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 1091 Registered: 3-2002 |
My country won. France is always an option Robert and the food is excellent. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 753 Registered: 7-2004 |
Lumpy: may I suggest you move out of MY STATE and into your country? | ||
| Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4353 Registered: 10-2001 |
dumb...New Jersey is a part of America, not the other way around.. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 754 Registered: 7-2004 |
"New Jersey is a part of America." It's part of Blue America. Smart America. The good America. The America that should seceed and allow the red states to wallow in their backwardness, waiting for the four horsemen. In the meantime, the lights are on in Blue America. The lights are bright. One Thousand Points of Light, indeed, but they're almost all blue.  | ||
| woodstock Citizen Username: Woodstock Post Number: 881 Registered: 9-2002  |
I'm in France right now. The people (same general demographics as MOL) are nowhere near as liberal as we think. And the food sucks.  | ||
| overtaxdalready Citizen Username: Overtaxdalready Post Number: 335 Registered: 6-2001 |
Livingston, You just can't let go of that juvenile red state, blue state nonsense, can ya? Oh..and the "fixed voting machines" line is hysterical. Are you available for entertaining at parties? |
