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     Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4439 Registered: 10-2001  |
My world? You mean the world that re-elected Bush, and still dominates Congress. Yes, I do live in my world, a Republican world. And so do you for that matter. | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 3071 Registered: 8-2003 |
If it was up to liberals, the elections wouldn't have happened. One - we wouldn't be there, and Two -- they argued the elections should be postponed, guaranteeing them not happening for a great while as security would never be 'enough,' there would never be enough Sunni voters, and possibly in the process bringing about that civil war some hoped for with enraged Shias flying off the handle at voting being denied. | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 1996 Registered: 5-2001  |
That happened in the real world, too. There are many superficial similarities between Strawberry World and the real world. But a lot of the things you claim liberals say or do or think only exist here...  | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 1997 Registered: 5-2001 |
I remember when this was floating around the internet... (original author unknown) Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised. All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry. In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor. Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune. It's noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression. Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have." | ||
| Ukealalio Citizen Username: Ukealalio Post Number: 1797 Registered: 6-2003 |
When are you Liberals ever gonna learn ?. The Conservatives are like the Japanese with Electronics, they take a good idea and make it smaller. Get with the program !!!!!. | ||
| joeltfk Citizen Username: Joeltfk Post Number: 73 Registered: 8-2001  |
"It's always after the facts with libs. Actually this wasn't what our CIA, and G. Britian's intelligence agency said. This isn't what Russia said, this isn't what Bill Clinton said. So, any lib who makes the claim they knew Iraq posed no threat is full of ••••." So, who is responsible for making sure we send American soldiers to their deaths based on the right reasons? Not the CIA, Not Great Brittain, Not Clinton. Not You. Not Me. Ohhh, it's our Commander in Chief. The Commander in Chief who not only got it wrong, but manipulated facts to make it seem they were right, missrepresented truth to the U.S. people to make it seem right, and leveraged all of our sadness over 9/11 to make it seem right. But I guess you don't believe in holding responsible people responsible. And Straw, you seem to be admitting that Bush and his puppeteers got it wrong with regard to WMD (no matter who else also did). Given that was the main reason for going to war, you seem to be agreeing that we went to war for the wrong reasons (and then had to make up some good ones). That's sounding a little liberal to me... Bush now says he would have done it the same way even if there were no WMD (I know Kerry said the same thing, pathetically). That's a pretty pitiful apology for committing to war under false pretenses. It's no sin to say we were wrong in hindsight; but you've got a bigger moral problem when you've convinced yourself of "truths" mostly due to the fact that you WANT to believe it and it fits your political agenda. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 529 Registered: 8-2004 |
The intelligence was only wrong on the stockpiles of WMD's, which by the way were never accounted for. The Deulfer report confirmed that Iraq was a threat and would have been a bigger threat in the future. | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 1998 Registered: 5-2001 |
The Duelfer report also found that the U.N. sanctions were responsible for effectively debilitating Saddam's weapons programs, and Iraq could not have become bigger threat without the corruption behind Oil For Food. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 530 Registered: 8-2004 |
But ,Notey,they did have Oil for Food which made them a threat and the report also said that when the inspectors left and sanctions began to be lifted Saddam would have reconstituted his WMD program which would have made them a bigger threat. | ||
| joeltfk Citizen Username: Joeltfk Post Number: 75 Registered: 8-2001 |
"The Deulfer report confirmed that Iraq was a threat and would have been a bigger threat in the future" Unlike North Korea, Iraq, Syria, My Mother in Law, and Rick Santorum...when do they get their reports. Or have we already invaded them? (In which case I should tell my wife right away) | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 531 Registered: 8-2004 |
Diplomatic efforts were exhausted in Iraq. They continue in the cases of Iran, N. Korea, and Syria. | ||
| Mark Fuhrman Citizen Username: Mfpark Post Number: 1230 Registered: 9-2001  |
Let's Nuke Them All! Political Science by Randy Newman No one likes us-I don't know why We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try But all around, even our old friends put us down Let's drop the big one and see what happens We give them money-but are they grateful? No, they're spiteful and they're hateful They don't respect us-so let's surprise them We'll drop the big one and pulverize them Asia's crowded and Europe's too old Africa is far too hot And Canada's too cold And South America stole our name Let's drop the big one There'll be no one left to blame us We'll save Australia Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo We'll build an All American amusement park there They got surfin', too Boom goes London and boom Paree More room for you and more room for me And every city the whole world round Will just be another American town Oh, how peaceful it will be We'll set everybody free You'll wear a Japanese kimono And there'll be Italian shoes for me They all hate us anyhow So let's drop the big one now Let's drop the big one now | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 4295 Registered: 10-1999  |
"Diplomatic efforts were exhausted in Iraq." There were inspectors in Iraq. Up until the day President Bush told them to get outta town, because the bombs were coming. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 532 Registered: 8-2004 |
" Comply fully or face serious consequences " After 9-11 the cat and mouse game that went on with the inspectors in the 1990's was not going to be tolerated. If seven years of inspections in the 1990's did not resolve the Iraq situation , why would a return 4 years later do any good without full cooperation. | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 4297 Registered: 10-1999 |
" ... why would a return 4 years later do any good without full cooperation." Well, since the CIA says there was nothing to find, anyway ... | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 533 Registered: 8-2004 |
George Tenet would disagree with that. | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 4298 Registered: 10-1999 |
No, he wouldn't. He can read a newspaper just like anybody else can. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 534 Registered: 8-2004 |
I will take the Deulfer Report over the New York Times when it comes to Iraq. | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 4299 Registered: 10-1999 |
I wasn't refering to the NY Times. I was refering to news accounts of the Duelfer Report, and the most recent CIA assessment. Heck, he can read the reports himself. | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 2000 Registered: 5-2001 |
I can't fully respond for a bit, but the spelling police just asked me to point out that it's the Duelfer report. Trivial, I know. I want to check before I come back, though -- did the report come out AFTER we invaded or before? |
