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     Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4467 Registered: 10-2001  |
Like I said Doc. +++job growth during Bush 01-05....That's the bottom line. The economy is working, Americans are working and things are looking up. Libs will go to any level they can looking for dirt and bad news. In this case, trying to dismiss job growth simply won't work. America is back to doing what it does best. Creating opportunity. And we can thank President Bush for leading the way. So, you can take any stat you want and run it through any formula you want. However, in the end it won't over shadow + job growth. (Afterall, isn't that what Kerry spent 2 years crying about?*) * well, that and a war he voted in favor of. | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 1043 Registered: 8-2003  |
you really are data averse aren't you? if you look at the numbers, the bottom line boils down to this: the four year jobs picture stinks, but it doesn't stink precisely as bad as Kerry said it did last year. no matter how many caps or exclamation points you use, you're still making a weak argument. 'cause here's the real bottom line - the U.S. needs to add 150K jobs per month to keep up with population growth. 89K or even 200K in four years is abysmal. and no amount of "GOD BLESS MY PRESIDENT" will change those facts. | ||
| Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4468 Registered: 10-2001 |
sorry son, Job growth after a vicious market crash, terror attack, and 2 wars is quite an accomplishment. And no as you say it wasn't "as bad" as Kerry and the moronic dumbocrats said it was and it's not nearly as bad as you would like it to be. Do we need to create more jobs? yes. Will permanent tax cuts fuel more jobs? You better believe it. | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 1044 Registered: 8-2003 |
arguing with you is hopeless. if you continue to cling tenaciously to the idea that the jobs data points to "quite an accomplishment" by W, it can only mean: - you're joking - you have an inability to put numbers into a larger, meaningful context - you're nothing but a Republican hack or, - you're just jerking my chain | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 5364 Registered: 1-2003  |
I certainly don't believe that Hussein and Bush are comparably bad. However, I don't believe that someone has to be as bad as Hussein for an "anybody but ..." attitude to make sense. It makes plenty of sense to have that attitude towards an American president who doesn't kill the citizens of his own country. When a president does things that the people oppose, it makes sense for the people to wish him to be voted out and that the people care more that he is out than to care about who replaces him. To say that one has to be as bad as Hussein is to say that the ends justify the means. And to that, I say the ends never justify the means. | ||
| Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4469 Registered: 10-2001 |
Tom, Bush just got re-elected. Don't confuse your disagreement with the President as being something that's universial. 61 million Americans like the job he's doing. I am one of them. Doc, Like I said, if you want to ignore facts, ignore them. This President is creating jobs and he's doing it despite an economy that just about collapsed under Clinton thanks in part to the dot.com crash. The market never saw growth like that before, and in the end when it went down it went down just about as hard as a market can. President Bush's agenda will create more jobs and opportunity over the next 4 years. With an unemployment rate at all time lows, this is just an argument you can't win. You act like we're Germany sitting there with a 12% unemployment rate. 12%!!, imagine that, and Germany has the nerve thinking they can influence U.S decision making. By the way that 12% is the higest rate of unemployment that nation's felt since the Nazis gained power. And of course anti-semitism is on the rise there (again) | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 5365 Registered: 1-2003 |
Did I say anything about my view being universal? No, I realize that I am in a slight minority. That doesn't make my view nonsensical. It just means more people disagree with me than agree with me. | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 1045 Registered: 8-2003 |
I'm not ignoring facts, I'm putting them in context. It's what thinking people do - people who aren't completely in the tank for GWB, that is. Anyone who can hold two or three data points in their heads at one time understands that a job creation number taken by itself isn't meaningful. You need to compare it to population growth. And the fact that we still don't have monthly job growth that keeps up with population growth is nothing to celebrate. That's why the workforce as % of population is still in decline. And that's also why the unemployment rate isn't increasing, people are leaving the workforce, and they don't count in the unemployment statistics. And to continue to blame that on a recession that bottomed out almost 4 years ago, and a terrorist attack that took place almost 3 and a half years ago is ridiculous. Many of the jobs lost in the recession haven't come back, and they aren't coming back. Those are the facts. If you want to cheerlead for W, go ahead. But thinking people will look at all the facts, not just the ones you've cherry picked, and come to their own conclusions. | ||
| Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4470 Registered: 10-2001 |
I see, so "thinking people" as you call them don't like Bush. That's the moral of your story. Thank You for the insight. Job recovery is strong, but if you ask a lib they'll give you 1 million reasons why job growth is bad. It's really amazing that liberals constantly get it wrong. Ask anyone like me who has a real job with a real company if job growth isn't on the rise. Where I am, we can't find enough qualifed people. This just 4 years after rather large lay offs. Ask Tom Reingold if he believes the job market isn't strong today. Just last year he was out of work. Now, he's getting offer after offer for interviews he's not interested in because he's working. As a matter of fact, you show me someone who has "left the job market", AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOMEONE WHO WOULD SIMPLY PREFER NOT TO WORK. Yeah, I know. Joe Blow was making $200,000 with dot.com this, and now can't find a job for $50,000, let alone $200,000. Well you know what? Joe Blow's value was inflated by the inflated 90's. He was never worth that type of dough in the first place, and now he refuses to work for anything less. That's his fault, not the Presidents. Libs, always wrong...always out of touch. | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 1046 Registered: 8-2003 |
no, if you read it, you'd see that the moral of the story is that thinking people don't listen to partisan hacks, they look at the BLS data and come to their own conclusions. hey, I'm ready to listen if you can explan how "strong" job recovery is leading to a decline in the % of the population participating in the workforce. but I expect you won't. instead you'll just keep telling me I'm wrong, without using any statistically valid evidence. Don't get me wrong, Tom Reingold seems like a very nice man, but I don't rely on him over the BLS for job creation data. | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 5366 Registered: 1-2003 |
It took me five months to get a job. That's a bad job market from my perspective. I used to get about eight calls from headhunters a week. Big difference. But my perspective and your perspective don't paint an accurate picture of the job market. They are small samples of a large population, to use a statistician's terms, and they therefore don't represent much. It's true that some people were overvalued, but I don't know about the value of placing blame for that. It's also true that those types of jobs, at any rate of pay, are less plentiful. Nothing to be joyous about. | ||
| Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4471 Registered: 10-2001 |
"Nothing to be joyous about." Well this is a bad attitude. If you want to spend the rest of your life comparing the market to the late 90's, you'll never be happy. The most inflated market of anyone's life time came crashing down in 2000. It was simply not a market that could sustain itself. Folks such as myself who realized this, and made good money in the market were smart enough to get out long before the fall. The 1990's market made me a ton of dough. However, I never viewed it as being anything other then what it was. A freakish event, hardly the norm. | ||
| Kramer Citizen Username: Kramer Post Number: 87 Registered: 9-2002 |
Straw - what's your favorite bumper sticker? http://www.cafepress.com/thewhitehouse/52760 | ||
| Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4473 Registered: 10-2001 |
my favorite?  This was my favorite before election. | ||
| Debby Citizen Username: Debby Post Number: 1632 Registered: 5-2001 |
"Job growth after a vicious market crash, terror attack, and 2 wars is quite an accomplishment." Actually, growth is the only possibility after massive losses (unless you're impressed that we're not all dead by now). | ||
| Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4474 Registered: 10-2001 |
Debby, Stick with your other thread where say all blacks should either join a gang or the military. This thread isn't for you. | ||
| Debby Citizen Username: Debby Post Number: 1634 Registered: 5-2001 |
Tacky diversion. Sucks to be proven wrong, huh? | ||
| Kramer Citizen Username: Kramer Post Number: 88 Registered: 9-2002 |
if libs is an abbreviation for liberals - what's an abbreviation for conservatives? - cons?  | ||
| Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4475 Registered: 10-2001 |
libs is an abbreviation for moron.. and Debby, no growth does not automaticly occur after a crash..I thought you had an Economics degree. I guess not. | ||
| Kramer Citizen Username: Kramer Post Number: 89 Registered: 9-2002 |
lol, nice comeback - I know you are but what am I? Are you a Ann Coulter fan - check out this clip - talk about morons! http://www.michaelmoore.com/_media/Coulter.mov |
