| Author | Message | ||
     Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 901 Registered: 7-2004 |
Pope John Paul on gay marriage in new book: "It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man." Let me see if I got this straight (ha ha). Here's a man who has never had sexual relations of any kind, never engaged in any sort of matrimonial relationship, and whose main exposure to gay lifestyles has been to look the other way while priests representing him stand accused of sexual abuse in almost unfathomable numbers. Yeah? | ||
| CFA Citizen Username: Cfa Post Number: 1307 Registered: 5-2001  |
He needs to clean out his own closet(s) before he makes ANY comments. He probably thinks that all homosexuals are like his priests. Sheesh! There's another reason Rome gets none of my money. | ||
| Bobkat Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 7708 Registered: 5-2001 |
The Captivate.com screen in our elevator indicated that the Pope is back in the hospital. I guess I am not nuanced enough to understand his position. On the one hand the church has a long history of protecting pedophile priests, but comes down on OGFs. I guess I have to take a couple of theology courses. ogf = ordinary gay folks. | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 4360 Registered: 10-1999  |
You folks seem to have fallen into the trap of the right-wingers, who argue that the pedophile priest problem (or for that matter, the problem with any pedophile) is that they're gay. The problem is not that they're gay, it's that they're pedophiles. Confusing homosexuality and pedophilia is the argument used in Florida against allowing adoption by homosexuals, for example. As for the earlier cover-ups of the pedophile priest problem, those had nothing to do with "theology", Bobk. That really was caused by some arrogant bishops thinking that they could somehow sweep the problem under the rug. Others did address it forthrightly. But, as I said, don't do the dirty work for opponents of same-sex marriage, by conflating it with pedophilia. | ||
| Strawman Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4578 Registered: 10-2001 |
Pope is in the hospital. How about a prayer for the man, rather than ridicule at this hour. | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 2110 Registered: 5-2001  |
Such a comment coming from you is really the peak of irony. You know that, right? | ||
| Strawman Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4580 Registered: 10-2001 |
not really. I have a great deal of respect for this Pope, as a leader to catholics and as a man who accomplished a great deal during his lifetime. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 908 Registered: 7-2004 |
The real problem is that the Pope's stance on gay marriage seems entirely un-Christian, in the sense of being charitable, benevolent and sympathetic to your fellow human being. The irony is that there are few people less qualified to address practical, modern issues on love, sex and marriage than the Pope. There are MANY, MANY committed gay couples who deserve nuptials and whose love would actually raise the collective standard of marriage. The Pope's likening gay marriage to an ideology of EVIL reeks of blind prejudice. | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 502 Registered: 3-2004 |
I think (speaking as a practicing Catholic with no tolerance for papal or any other type of bureauCRAZY) that the Pope doesn't see past current doctrine. Perhaps he can't see past it. The Church's stance on other social and moral issues often evolved through the ages, but its mills "grind exceeding slow." Perhaps the next Pope (who is probably not too far off) or the next one after that, will have the insight to deal with the issue in a more affirmative way. | ||
| Bettina Citizen Username: Bettina Post Number: 32 Registered: 8-2004 |
Thankyou, Nohero for that essential clarification. Mr. Strawman, ridicule? Since when is critcizing positions ridicule? But of course you're probably one of those people who think criticizing the president is unpatriotic. | ||
| Strawman Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4582 Registered: 10-2001 |
The man could be dying. How about a little respect. Some of you people are really sickening. | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 2112 Registered: 5-2001 |
Hey Straw, remember what you had to say about Elizabeth Edwards upon finding out she had cancer? So get real. | ||
| Strawman Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4583 Registered: 10-2001 |
right, I said her husband used to make a living suing over tragedies, such as breast cancer. Like there was someone to blame. I also said that's why I'm not thrilled with personal injury lawyers becoming President. What was wrong with that? | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 910 Registered: 7-2004 |
Nohero: I largely agree with you about pedophilia being the real problem in the Catholic church. That it is homosexual pedophilia adds a touch of irony and a heaping dose of hypocricy to the mix. I guess gay-bashing has always been a favorite pastime for religious zealots unwilling to examine their own depravity. Contrary to the Pope’s view, homosexual unions don’t weaken traditional marriage or threaten contemporary society: They help strengthen "alternative" lifestyles. And I think any leader who porports to understand Christian charity should accept that responsible gay couples will offer better homes and more stability and security to adopted or medically-enhanced children than straight families suffering from broken homes, domestic violence, drugs and alcohol, and pedophile priests incapable of controlling bodily functions under archaic and unrealistic vows imposed by the church. | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 505 Registered: 3-2004 |
Nohero's point about the definition of pedophilia is a valid one. We recoil in horror when we hear of priests and other men committing sexual abuse of children, When a female teacher has sex with one of her male students, that becomes a subject for Jay Leno's jokes and innuendos. And, according to medical and psychological journals, neither of the above is tightly linked to homosexuality or to heterosexuality. | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 2113 Registered: 5-2001 |
Yeah, your remark was insensitive and rude enough to get you banned (for the nth time). Meanwhile, nobody here has expressed a single pejorative sentiment about the Pope's condition. So skip the righteousness. | ||
| Bobkat Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 7713 Registered: 5-2001 |
I always thought that the word pedophilia was sexual preference specific. Apparently it isn't. From Dictionary.com ped·o·phil·i·a ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pd-fl-, pd-) n. The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children. | ||
| tjohn Citizen Username: Tjohn Post Number: 2928 Registered: 12-2001  |
Why on Earth should a gay man lay off the Pope just because he is in the hospital. The Pope would have gays ostracized if he had his way as were Jews in days of old. If somebody wants me ostracized, they get no reprieve for poor health and personal hardship. This is not a gentlemen's sporting match. | ||
| Strawman Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4585 Registered: 10-2001 |
"According to an Italian news website, the Pope's condition seems quite serious. He is now being administered forced breathing through an oxygen mask. The doctors are now evaluating whether a medical intervention - a tracheotomy - would be necessary since he has a tracheal hardening caused by degeneration from Parkinsons Disease." Say a prayer.. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 738 Registered: 5-2004  |
CNNi reported he just went in for a trach |
