| Author | Message | ||
     ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 3389 Registered: 5-2001  |
Hey, Vic almost got us a KFC!  | ||
| growler Citizen Username: Growler Post Number: 440 Registered: 11-2001 |
Which is sooooo much better than the empty gas station that is still there. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4708 Registered: 5-2001  |
I like KFC!  | ||
| growler Citizen Username: Growler Post Number: 441 Registered: 11-2001 |
I do too. I was being sarcastic. | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 3390 Registered: 5-2001 |
C'mon mem, you like those tasty varmints that run around the back of a KFC! | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 3565 Registered: 9-2001  |
...wait a minute Straw, it wasn't only Vic; Jerry was fighting me right there with him. I think of it more as just The Former Mayor Syndrome! The truth is they did take a very hard position on the B&B issue, but I never felt they were bad guys". I always thought it was just an over dose of Viagra or something? I guess we'll see if it's worn off next Monday night at 8PM when I go back before the Board of Adjustment again. The Board is going to vote for the second time on the issues of the abandonment of my non-conforming use from 1931, through the years of the Great Depression, and forward. This case is like the Energizer Bunny, it keeps going, and going, and going... | ||
| growler Citizen Username: Growler Post Number: 442 Registered: 11-2001 |
How many "varmits" are running around the back of Burnett BBQ? Or Pizza Primo? Or Island Spice? That's how many you might have had behind a KFC. | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 3391 Registered: 5-2001 |
Oh, mem loves those too! | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 3566 Registered: 9-2001 |
“…you may be right that the GOP of Maplewood should refrain from running a candidate against Fred.” Janay, This is always a very difficult decision for any county committee to make; however, I believe at one time the Democrats decided not to run a candidate against Robert Grasmere. The concept is not that unusual. Listen, I’ve supported non-partisan elections in Maplewood for years. IMHO, in local elections it’s not the party, it’s the candidate you should vote for. The best way to look at this years election is, “If it ain’t broken, don’t try to fix it!” Fred is as good and honest a man you can ever expect to serve in public office. Listen, the only reason I ran against him three years ago is, I was falsely led to believe residents in town wanted a Mayor with more hair then Fred...  | ||
| mtierney Citizen Username: Mtierney Post Number: 780 Registered: 3-2001 |
As someone living in the middle of Maplewood, I saw my taxes jump from $12K to $17K overnight due to the reval - they are currently $20K. Those of you who are post reval homeowners, check the attic to read the anger and pain expressed by so many people. The reval was not mandated. The booming values because of Midtown Direct needed another year or two to settle down before we took that step. Millburn saw what was happening here and then delayed their reval. Vic and Jerry lost because people remembered their high-handed, arrogant conduct during the reval. "We remembered in November." The two other TC members wisely did not run again - they would have lost too. Now Fred is a puzzlement to me yet. I'm not happy with his zeal over the PD project. I am worried how much of this tremendous cost will be passed along to us taxpayers. With our taxes at a confiscatory level now, I want a candidate who will see tax relief as the major issue in this community. I would have liked the PD to remain on Dunnell, with a substation (a real one) on SA. Once construction begins on SA, there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. Costs will skyrocket - ask any homeowner.  | ||
| Lydia Supporter Username: Lydial Post Number: 964 Registered: 5-2001 |
Mtierney -
I've had the opportunity to work with Vic and Fred as a "regular" citizen of Maplewood and as an elected official of the Democratic Committee. Vic and Fred share many similarities. Both men are dynamic, intelligent and ambitious. Both have worked tirelessly for Maplewood and call Maplewood their home. The main difference between the two is that Fred Profeta listens to the people. Fred recognizes talented members of our community and appoints them to boards and commitees even when they didn't/don't support him. Fred's priority is Maplewood and he doesn't allow his personal feelings to interfere with the health of our town. Vic is a great guy when you agree with him. However when challenged, he battens down the hatches, closes his mind and concentrates on vilifying the messenger instead of considering the message. That's why Vic (an incumbent mayor and TC member of a decade) lost the election. He did positive things for Maplewood over the years, but he lost because he threatened first instead of considering nuance and compromise. | ||
| wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 576 Registered: 5-2001 |
As Jeffl said, this also will be my last post on this topic because to quote him: "this kind of 'stuff' can go on forever and it has little value and never changes anyone's mind." Lydia I think there are plenty of people who agree with you IF you switch Vic and Fred's name with each other in your above post. You see vilifying by Vic; others don't. You see listening well by Fred; others don't. That's what makes politics and horseraces, as they say. No one has the absolute truth; that much maybe reasonable people can agree on. | ||
| nan Citizen Username: Nan Post Number: 1862 Registered: 2-2001 |
I absolutely agree with Wendy on this and I don't always agree with Wendy when it comes to truth, absolute or otherwise. As far as I'm concerned, Vic and Jerry were great members of the township committee. They always listened to what people had to say; they had a strong, intelligent vision, and they worked their butts off for this community. They handled the reval as well as anyone could have. They don't deserve this negative rewriting of history. Let's not let the Fair Tax Floozies prevent us from electing Vic back where he belongs. | ||
| Strawman Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4605 Registered: 10-2001 |
Nan, That's the dopiest post on this thread. The fair tax floozies? Holy igonorance. ANYONE WHO VOTES FOR VIC IS A MORON. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 3567 Registered: 9-2001 |
This thread is getting way out of line... First, I want to apologize for my off color comment about Vic. Our personal differences are one thing, his years of loyal service to our community is another... He deserves a level of respect that honors that service. Second, I agree with Lydia where she said, "Both men are dynamic, intelligent and ambitious. Both have worked tirelessly for Maplewood and call Maplewood their home." Why not leave it there and lets get on with some more important things. OK Straw? I know I can always count on you, lets move on for now... | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4713 Registered: 5-2001 |
I have admit I am very bitter about the reval. | ||
| Reflective Citizen Username: Reflective Post Number: 781 Registered: 3-2003 |
Nan: This is not the re-writing of vic history, It's the retelling of vic's action. He displays a major pattern of behavior which needs to be better understood by new residents before they vote. More and more new residents learn from MOL. The news record is no longer the opinion maker. And vic isn't running for Mayor, just the Committee. Now if Vic wins, and teams with david, and woos, say Ken to be the third member of a coalition, then either David or vic will be mayor, next Jan 1, 2006. We now pause for the Bd of EDUCATION election... | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 13292 Registered: 10-2001  |
It's going to be a very difficult election. I personally think highly of all three. Fred's list of accomplishments is very extensive and very real and they cannot be tarnished by partisanship. The list published above is very compelling. Ian has, very quietly, been a very calming, strong force on the TC, partnering with Fred on that list. And I thought that Vic did a great job when he was on the TC. He was a very strong leader pushing through a long overdue reval. It was the implementation that turned out to be problematic. But no one can convince me that Ellen Davenport - a great lady in my book - or Burt or Celia would have taken on a reval for anything but the right reasons. My issues for Election '05 will focus on the vision that the three of them have for Maplewood and how they plan to fulfill it. Frederico and Ian need to explain their development plans a bit more to those on the "East Side" who feel disenfranchised. Vic needs to reach out to those on the "West Side" who feel that he didn't do a great job of addressing their reval and post reval concerns. In June of '03, Vic didn't campaign on the West Side to the best of my recollection. That was a huge mistake. TC Members needs to reach out to the whole town in elections, not confine their campaigns to specific sections of town. Luckily, this year we're all going to have some very clear track records to examine and contrasting styles to think about. Even more interesting is the impact that the election will have on next year's selection of the Mayor. If Vic captures a seat, David becomes the Mayor with Ken most probably assuming the Vice Mayor slot. Ken has been pretty solid up there. If Fred and Ian retain their seats, Frederico and Ian will keep their current positions. One thing that is not clear to me is WHEN Vic is running. I assumed that he was going to run in November. When I asked Dave the Rave and Arturo about this tonight in Town Hall, they both said it was a June Primary challenge. | ||
| bottomline Citizen Username: Bottomline Post Number: 188 Registered: 8-2003 |
Sbenois, I don't understand your scenario about David becoming mayor. Please explain. | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 13294 Registered: 10-2001 |
Actually, I'm making an assumption here that might be very wrong so here is the question: in the Township Committee form of government, can candidates for the Mayor slot vote for themselves? |
