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     ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 3416 Registered: 5-2001  |
So why is there a prevalence(or is it just a loud few?) of kids behaving REALLY badly (swearing at and punching and fighting with each other and admin)? They don't learn this behavior at school, so where do they learn it? I guess they are not being treated well at home? How, then, can the school alone be expected to pick up the slack? The school has clear policies relevant to acceptable and non-acceptable behavior - CLEAR. School is for learning. I know that my kids know this and people who post on MOL apparetnly have kids who know this. But there is a sub-culture, small as it may be, that maybe looks at life differently. So, what to do? | ||
| Tully Mars Citizen Username: Tullymars Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2005 |
Folks... let's get the responses back to David's original post. This isn't about kids being smacked on the bottom when they misbehaved... this is about fights at the school that seem to require police involvement. While I don't have kids at the school, I do have a stake as a graduate and someone with family in town with kids someday attending CHS. Folks... keep your eye on the ball. What is being done about this? I agree with David... I read a lot of pontification about memos and meetings and this board member and that. How did this school slide so fast so quickly? Most importantly what are you... the taxpayers and parents... going to do about it? Complaining on an anonymous chat room isn't worth squat. | ||
| xavier67 Citizen Username: Xavier67 Post Number: 460 Registered: 6-2002 |
"How did this school slide so fast so quickly?" Well, I don't have a precise answer, but judging by the hysteria on this thread, schools slide a LOT FASTER on MOL than in real life. If anyone not familiar with CHS read this thread, they will never believe the school also produces numerous National Merit scholars, illustrious alums, movers and shakers, et al. They will think we're talking about Hoboken High. | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 7856 Registered: 5-2001 |
Yeah, this thread is getting really, really ugly. An unfortunate fact is that high school students are going to get in fights with each other from time to time. This is a fact of life either because of hormones or demonic possesion. The issue was when this thread started was has there been a change in policy at CHS, probably brought on by the lunchroom incident? I don't think any of us know if it is now standard operating procedure to call the police and have the combatants arrested. If this is the policy the Administration and BOE should make it known to the students, the parents and the community. If this is one of Fringe's famous stir the pot rumors the schools should also make this known to the public. Lost in all the rants is, as Xavier says, CHS does extremely well in educating the vast majority of the kids who attend. I think last years class had more national awards and honors than ever before. All of these kids weren't white and the sons and daughters of investment bankers btw. According to my spy in the guidance office not all the kids with serious family issues come from Hilton btw. There are plenty of middle and upper middle class kids with more than their share of issues that have to be dealt with by the schools. The vast majority of the students who get into fights and other troubles aren't reincarnations of Bonnie and Clyde. It is a mistake of great magnitude to demonize them. | ||
| david Citizen Username: Schrodes Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2003 |
ive just spent my spring break in chs getting some work done for college and i must say it has slipped that fast. the change that has happened in a matter of the few months since i graduated is absurd. theres a fine line between kids screwing around in class and being flat out disrespectful. screwing around in class is one thing but when these kids, maybe i should just say animals because this isn't behavior becomming of a human being, tell a teacher to "stop being an •••-hole" that's no longer hoarsing around, thats a complete lack of respect for teachers and the educational institute. maybe instead of hiding behind a message board someone should speak to the teachers. and dont give excuses, go right to the people on the front line. this is no longer a school but fast becomming a zoo. a year ago i took pride in saying i graduated from columbia and that opinion has changed quite a bit in a matter of a few months. i also understand that mrs pollock is in her tenure (sp?)year. if find it somewhat disturbing that in the time shes been there the school has been in a steady decline and yet it seems she is quite sure to recieve tenure. personally i believe that administrators shouldn't be able to recieve tenure. if they become immune then what is there to keep them in line. they can become like the kids at the school. without something keeping them in check theyre free to do what they want. and with the school already on a steady decline what does the future hold? and if dr h is that bad has anyone looked into having him removed from office? a contract is a legal binding agreement that states that his job is secure but im sure that there are clauses in there that if his duties are not followed through or if problems arise that he can be removed from his office. arnie just became the govenator because of this. if dr h is such a problem why hasnt anyone looked into whether he can be removed from office. and to those who decided that the only part of my post worth concerning themselves about was child abuse, youre all clows, straight up clows. i can see that the welfare of the school really concers you. and also, i straight up mean that these kids deserve a beating. i dont advocate child abuse in any way shape or form but when these kids want to walk around talking trash that theyre gang bangers and wreak havoc on a school because they think theyre tough guys then maybe they should feel the reality of their life style choices. as far as im concerned you can screw yourself up all you want but as soon as you interfer with other peoples lives and start to cause them issues then theres a problem. screw the belt and go straight for a stick. | ||
| Reflective Citizen Username: Reflective Post Number: 811 Registered: 3-2003 |
bobk The question originally asked should have gotten a simple Y/N answer. Police allowed!-Y/N. Camera Security seems to be another waste of money. The question isn't a stir the pot ploy. The fact that no one has been able to confirm indicates to me that there has been a policy change. Anyway....... | ||
| whiffleball Citizen Username: Whiffleball Post Number: 30 Registered: 6-2001 |
I have heard that 16 of the "security" cameras are not even operational at the moment. Maybe the BOE needs to take some "field trips" to CHS . . . unannounced. Doesn't anyone see a direct relationship between the arrival of Ms. Pollack and the increase in violence and behavior problems? What about the recent disciplinary hearing sans parents? | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 5785 Registered: 1-2003  |
Reflective, the answer is that no one here knows. (Or no one claims to know.) That does not imply that there has been a policy change, and it does not imply that there has not been a policy change. | ||
| harpo Citizen Username: Harpo Post Number: 2013 Registered: 6-2001 |
ffof, Not all that long ago [Mem] started a thread on MOL to complain about the many toddlers in town whose behavior annoyed her and shared with us that her parents would have "drop kicked" her had she behaved like the "little viper" she disapproved of, obviously inferring she thought that kind of discipline was appropriate. You must have forgotten it, because you responded in the thread. Lizziecat was one of the few to actually take issue with the abusive tone of what was being posted. And in case you missed it the first time, "david" has now reiterated his belief that students at CHS "deserve to be beaten" by school employees if they don't exhibit the same fine qualities he apparently thinks he's developed. I don't think "zoo" is an accurate description of CHS. It's a prejudicial one. Maybe he'll quit hiding behind a message board to slander CHS and its students. kathleen | ||
| D. Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 5554 Registered: 4-1998  |
Do not out [people], please. | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 3433 Registered: 5-2001 |
harpo- being so literal is not making you look very smart. There is a major issue with foul language directed at teachers which should not be tolerated. It's probably too late for the drop-kick, though. Look, I don't have a problem with CHS. I see first hand all the great things that are going on there. That doesn't mean we don't have things to work on, there is plenty. But the low-level behavior is so unnecessary, and should not be tolerated. Unfortunately, there is a culture of no accountability for actions/words, and this stems from parents. Think "lunchroom incident". | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4734 Registered: 5-2001  |
Harpo, Your "mis-translation" of my post was very stupid, angry and ugly, and only a "not very intelligent person" would try to draw context from it for this thread. All I did was describe one very misbehaved kid, and if this is a syndrome. But, the real reason for your nastiness to me is because I like Fred P and you don't. Cheap and shallow shot? You bet. Anyway, bon apetite big one, and happy weekend to the rest! | ||
| C Bataille Citizen Username: Nakaille Post Number: 1886 Registered: 5-2001 |
"only a drooling moron would...." Mem, is this your creative way of trying to avoid censure for personal attacks? Rather thinly disguised, I'd say. You could certainly argue your case better than that I imagine. Cathy | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4735 Registered: 5-2001 |
Yes Cathy, I do certainly argue my case better than you can EVER imagine. Especially when I am defending myself against uncalled for attacks out of nowhere. A personal attack from anyone against harpo is moot compared to all the nastiness and hurt she has tried to spread among MOL, and even against MOL itself, she is constantly discrediting it and demeaning it. Thanks for the "creative" compliment. Like I need it. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4736 Registered: 5-2001 |
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| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 696 Registered: 1-2004  |
Harpo I remember the thread you're talking about. Think 'sarcasim' 'tongue in cheek.' I'm willing to bet that's what mem's comment were in that thread. | ||
| david Citizen Username: Schrodes Post Number: 15 Registered: 12-2003 |
you people are clows. you fight like toddlers over nothing. get your priorities straight. why bicker when everyones common goal is to find out whats going on around town and to maybe improve it through the message board. instead you fight! what a joke. at this point i just feel bad for the teachers that have to deal with the crap they do in school. im sure it didnt come with the job description. whats the point of the board if all that comes from it is anonymous micro politics that have no bearing on anything but just result in mindless quarrels with faceless people behind a screen. for christ sake stop typing and do something clows. what a waste of technology. i do give props to those on here that try to discuss real issues. too bad you were drowned out by shouts of protest about jamie foxx's grandmother beating him. guess we got out priorities set straight! thanks mol! this town isnt out of control, its kids are just in control. | ||
| harpo Citizen Username: Harpo Post Number: 2014 Registered: 6-2001 |
JTA: You don't remember very well. [Mem's] complaining about other people's children and how discipline has declined from the days of beatings from adults that she remembers were not tongue in cheek. The language was excessive, but her point was plain. Do a search an look it up. She posts this point of view frequently. Mary, That isn't what you wrote. The title of your thread was about "kids today" and you went out of your way in the first post to talk about there being more little kids in Maplewood than before and how they weren't being disciplined enough, and you compared it unfavorably to the kind of discipline you got in your youth. It took you several posts to mention one "little viper." This isn't the first post like that you've made complaining about local kids or students and theorizing that the "problem" is that, unlike your youth, these kids aren't being beaten or threatened with being beatn by adults. Who cares about Fred? I care about putting away forever the notion -- even the jokes -- that kids should be beaten. Dave (or do you expect me to call you "D"?), They "out" themselves all the time (and anybody they don't like, in case you haven't noticed). Selectively protecting people's privacy is not where you want to be. Free speech is. Anyway, you can't go on for five years and organize face-to-faces and fundraisers and imagine adults are continue referring people they know by made-up names. kathleen | ||
| D. Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 5565 Registered: 4-1998 |
Kathleen Please refer to others by their usernames. If you choose to post your real name, do not impose it on others. If I see others doing it, I will react the same way. Thanks. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4742 Registered: 5-2001 |
Kathleen, It appears I touched a nerve with you about children who are actually beaten or abused (not good old discipline, which was what I originally intended, tongue in cheek). It explains a lot. There are great therapy programs for this. Don't you ever worry when you trample about outing people without their permission? Some people can react very badly - look what Dave & Jamie are going through. |
