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     lumpyhead Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 1185 Registered: 3-2002 |
Harpo knows all about raising children I guess. | ||
| L'Angelo Misterioso Citizen Username: Misterioso Post Number: 33 Registered: 10-2003  |
Dave - By your own posted rules, there should be no problem "outing" people. As moderator you have no obligation to protect people's online identities, other than keeping them to yourself if YOU are asked. Far as I can remember, you've never made any promise of anonymity on MOL. The rules you've published are: + No personal attacksIn fact your editing of posts, particularly in the inconsistent way that has been the practice on MOL over the course of many years, opens you up for more, not less, legal liability, because it moves you from the realm of "common carrier" to "publisher" - i.e. instead of being a transparent information conduit you exercise editorial control, especially control beyond the scope of MOL's terms of use. | ||
| nan Citizen Username: Nan Post Number: 1874 Registered: 2-2001 |
I'd like to know why, if there are no personal attacks allowed, Mem was allowed to call Harpo stupid and Harpo was the one who received censorship for allegedly doing something that is not even listed on the board rules? | ||
| D. Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 5567 Registered: 4-1998  |
Outing someone is a form of personal attack because people cannot be 100% certain who is posting under a username. Nor can I. I have repeatedly asked Harpo not to do it and she continued, so she's presently banned. If people don't enjoy using MOL or can't follow simple requests they need to find other things to do. There are plenty of ways to have meaningful debate without disclosing real names if people prefer to remain anonymous. Nohero seems to manage this quite well. As for the being a publisher v. carrier, the Moldow case shows that a person who runs an online forum can perform the tasks commonly associated with a publisher and still retain the broad immunities under Title 47 § 230. Blame Clinton. | ||
| D. Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 5568 Registered: 4-1998 |
If anyone's interested in the Moldow case, the ACLU's amicus brief is a good read: http://www.aclu-nj.org/downloads/MoldowBrief.pdf The best part
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| L'Angelo Misterioso Citizen Username: Misterioso Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2003 |
Legalities of message boards aside, it takes awfully tortuous logic to reach the point where calling someone by their own real name is considered a personal attack. Unless their real name happens to be ***hole. | ||
| D. Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 5569 Registered: 4-1998 |
If it's a guess and it's wrong then the personal attack (depending on content) is against an unwitting participant, not the poster. | ||
| LibraryLady(ncjanow) Supporter Username: Librarylady Post Number: 2297 Registered: 5-2001  |
Harpo, who's Mary? I assume your are referring to the poster MEM? Why is D. allowing that to stay up? Is MEM her initials? | ||
| L'Angelo Misterioso Citizen Username: Misterioso Post Number: 35 Registered: 10-2003 |
I don't buy it. You have no idea if it's a guess or not. Besides, your longstanding terms of use make no mention of real names one way or the other. Absent a stated policy or consistent, every time, enforcement of the explicit policies you DO have, you just leave an opening for attack yourself, by kicking off some people and not others. Favoritism, dontcha know. Even the police can be sued for selective enforcement. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4746 Registered: 5-2001  |
Nan, I wasn't calling Harpo stupid, I was referring to the words in her post and her context, which I defended myself against. I really do try to address the post and not the person (unless it's in jest), but harpo often does seem to tempt fate that way. LL, Yes they are my initials, and for now I choose to keep it that way, except Harpo has made the decision for me, and I don't think that's fair. I am rather thick skinned but still a little disturbed by this, and on top of what's happening with MOL, I'm concerned for Dave & Jamie and I think maybe we should all be more conscious and sensitive of these issues right now. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4747 Registered: 5-2001 |
L'angelo, If I want people to know who I am than it is MY choice, not yours or anyone else's. Dave is the owner and moderator, and if he chooses to let us protect out anonymity it is his choice and certainly not yours to judge or criticize. If you feel that way than start your own board with your own rules. D is not playing favorites at all, there have been so many times where harpo has pushed her limits and has hurt more than one person to the point of tears, and has been allowed to stay on. D has to draw the line somewhere with all of us. | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 3439 Registered: 5-2001  |
Exactly! And, the whole thing is, harpo is dwelling on an old thread that isn't even relevant to what this thread is supposed to be about anyway! And david schrodes- Your point has been taken, and I agree with you, but you need to clean up your online typing and presentation if posters are to take you seriously. You're upset by students not respecting the teachers, but you come on here and say "you people are clows. you fight like toddlers over nothing". Fairly hypocritical (not to mention personal attack on all posters.  Also, you perceive lots of bickering here, but as you are a new poster, you really do not have a clue that there are many of us who are fighting the good fight inside the halls of CHS regularly. We like to talk out a lotta stuff, though, in this forum as is our perogative. Sincerely, ffof | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 708 Registered: 1-2004  |
Dave- Here's a way to prevent the 'outing' debate in the future, as it seems some posts don't realize it's an implied rule. Add to the list of rules -'outing another poster is not allowed. Unless an posted has used their real name on MOL, you are to refer to them by their screen name, even if you are friends with them in real life.' That being said, I know a handful of posters in real life. Know where some live, work etc. But I still refer to them by their screen name on MOL. Sometimes I feel silly doing this, but since they choose not to use the real name I respect their choice. | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 3442 Registered: 5-2001 |
I have the reverse outing problem...when I see my MOL friends in real life, I tend to call them by their screen name | ||
| nan Citizen Username: Nan Post Number: 1876 Registered: 2-2001 |
Mem, You attacked Harpo personally and you got away with it as you always do. Your argument that you were reacting to the words in her post, not her, don't hold water because I was once banned for doing the same. I referred to someone's "racist sounding letter in the NR" and was banned for a week. http://www.southorangevillage.com/cgi-bin/show.cgi?tpc=3130&post=234530#POST2345 30 On the other hand, you once called someone "the biggest racist on this board" and there was not a peep from Dave, whose post followed after. http://www.southorangevillage.com/cgi-bin/show.cgi?tpc=3130&post=164215#POST1642 15 There is clearly a double standard here. If Harpo has been banned for personal attacks, than you should also be banned for the same. | ||
| D. Citizen Username: Dave Post Number: 5570 Registered: 4-1998 |
That's it, you're all grounded. Go to your rooms. | ||
| Lifeisswell Citizen Username: Lifeisgood Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2005 |
Dear MEM, Consider the sources and rise above it - someone dragged up a post from 2003 - that's hilarius!! | ||
| anon Citizen Username: Anon Post Number: 1689 Registered: 6-2002 |
So a thread entitled "New 'policy' on assaults at CHS" may result in generating a new policy on outing on MOL, or at least a clarification of the policy. Thread drift at its finest! | ||
| Reflective Citizen Username: Reflective Post Number: 817 Registered: 3-2003 |
anon-- why not thread drift? No one from our most highly paid educational establishment and certainly no one from our own Board of Education, not highly paid, but control crazy, and lacking any sense of responsibility, has addressed the simple yes or no answer to the original question. | ||
| just me fromsouthorange Supporter Username: Jmfromsorange Post Number: 1053 Registered: 7-2003 |
Nan- I followed the link you provided to back up your complaints about you're being suspended for referring to someone's "racist sounding letter in the NR" and was banned for a week." Not to start a war here, it appeared to me you deserved to be banned. |
